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Originally posted by noangels
There is no way that we could invade and occupy Iran or Pakistan,there are no people to be liberated there.It would be a worse situation than Iraq and as for casualities-I would dread to think of a number
I too see Iraq as a stepping stone into other countries,they dont have Saudi Arabia now so the green zone makes for a perfect base.
Originally posted by UFOBountyHunter
SO! you don't like warfare? WELL, you had better get used to it. Because we are in the long battle for our very existance. All of us will sacrifice dearly. We will pay with loss of lives, money, time, resources, and freedoms.
All the daily silly ass game playing and fantasy lives that the Americans have grown used too, is about to come to an abrupt and permanent end.
Get ready for a more austere and fundamental lifestyle. Soon there is going to be no room for frivalty. Soon your government is going to make some dramatic changes, that nearly everyone is going to dislike.
Yes, there is going to be a war in IRAN. The whole middle East will be sucked into it. Russia and China will too. ....
Originally posted by gottago
What really concerns me is the underlying logic of a US attack: desperation.
Our economy is about to tank, the Fed doesn't have any more bubbles to inflate to keep the party going much longer and Wall Street just hangs where it is because everyone there is scared as all hell that pulling out in any significant way is going to unleash havoc.
We've paid for imports from China with paper and oil from the ME with paper, and now the dollar is in near freefall and the Fed's presses are going overtime and inflation is rising and this will only weaken the dollar more but the Fed keeps churning out that paper to keep the whole sorry mess that passes for the US economy from freezing up like a road sculpture.
China and Russia are rising and though we pour gazillions into defense we can hardly secure a middling, war- and sanction-depleted Iraq.
The big game of securing oil so as Cheney says we don't have to give up our AC and SUVs is the only lens the admin views strategy through--after all the whole lot of them are oilmen--even Condi Rice had a supertanker named after her. (So correct that, "oilpeople.")
Iraq was the first move, Afghanistan conveniently is Unocal's pipeline wetdream come true, and you have all those poppy fields as a bonus for the CIA, but Iran is the cornerstone of the whole thing, it has to be neutralized because it doesn't toe the Western line, and has finally said the hell with oil for paper--I mean dollars.
War is good for business, we all know that. Good for financiers, for the MIC, good all around. Forget the poor saps that become cannon fodder, and who even thinks of--let alone cares about--"collateral damage?"
Pretty much the only countries with the advanced subs capable of cutting the cables are the US, Russia, and Israel. Well, take your pick; I doubt it's Russia. Whether it's us or the 51st state hardly matters; the sabotage was a clear act of war (just imagine if 5 undersea communications cables linking the US were mysteriously cut!) and it was done to send a very clear message to Iran--we'll literally cut you off from the world because of your oil bourse--as well as to our client states in the region (we mean business, shut up and stay in line).
As I said, this is happening from desperation. Everything's coming unglued and we need another nice war to keep it all from falling apart, but really we need it like a junkie needs another fix.