Chemtrails over Sydney, Australia??

reply to post by Dock6

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So whats the difference.....you avoided answering Essans question. And if your so paranoid about chemtrails, go buy a gas mask

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Mmmm... Petulant.

'avoided answering Essan's question' ?

Essan posed a question ?

Essan imagines I'll spend my time educating him .. when the information he professes to seek is freely and copiously available online from more sources than he has time to consult in his remaining lifetime ? Lol.

Essan wasn't posing genuine questions, whether or not I feel inclined to answer. In my opinion, Essan was attempting to silence me via amateurish sarcasm, his true intent being, in my opinion, to persuade browsers that 'Chemtrails don't exist' .

I smell the usual Editorial Intelligence agenda.

But *you're* a little enigma, aren't you ?

You launch one thread after another concerning Chemtrails .. then advise those concerned about them to 'go buy a gas mask' ?

No one will ever accuse you of integrity, will they, if you continue on your chosen path.

Tell me, do you and Essen work in tandem ?
Do you launch threads about Chemtrails for the purpose of drawing response .. in order Essen can play to the gallery by insisting Chemtrails do not exist ? Seems to me that's your game.

Why ? Are you employed by government in some minor capacity .. that of Chemtrail Damage Control, perhaps ?

Hint : they shouldn't be paying you much, because you have a long way to go before you master the rudiments of subtlety

He asked you what the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail was. Since you claim to be an expert on the topic, why did you not answer this?



Compliment accepted


Since when does one thread after another represent the one thread I have posted about chemtrails?


Essan lives on the opposite side of the world to me. I am a proffesional meteorologist, he is a weather enthusiast. We just share the same views on the chemtrails scaremongering program that people like yourself keep posting on this website with no evidence


You mean like the people that post threads, insisting....with no proof....that chemtrails do exist


The Australian Bureau of Meteorology is by no means a minor government agency


Oh sorry, i didnt realise that I wasnt being subtle, thanks for letting me know. Yeah, I guess your right, the $85,000 AUD isnt a very large pay packet at all

Thks Oz I don't think I can add anything to that.

Until chemtrail believers can provide evidence that what looks like and behaves like a normal contrail - as observed for many decades - produced by a normal jet airliner is something else, there's really nothing much to discuss - other than why such people are so intent on scaremongering and frightening ordinary people. What is their agenda?

reply to post by Essan

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I would also like to throw into the pot that it is not unknown for aircraft - especially military air craft such as tankers, and also gliders - to carry water ballast under normal operating conditions and to dump it to alter CofG and weight distribution, this is almost always dumped from the wings or the tail (or possibly all three). or even to dump fuel (not a great environmental idea) to lighten the plane (or helicopter)

such as here:



or here:

www.flickr.com...

if you read the comments, you will understand what is going on!

If you check the ACARS Log for that day there was a Singapore airlines 747-412 rego 9V-SPR flight number SQ0285 overflying sydney at around that time on it;s way to Auckland from Singapore.

No conspiracy just a normal plane overflying you..

google hits for chemtrails..
Results 1 - 10 of about 933,000 for chemtrails. (0.14 seconds

educate-yourself.org...
www.carnicom.com...
www.chemtrailcentral.com...
www.rense.com...
www.conspiracyplanet.com...
www.holmestead.ca...
www.earthrainbownetwork.com...
www.willthomas.net...

here`s enough to start with.
yes essan, you sure do everything in your power to debunk this.
why?

I'm imagining it has something to do with operating under a cloak of lies and deriving a twisted pleasure out of the ...'power'... gained through deceit.

The TRUTH is most formidable indeed, and flailing attempts to discredit what's being revealed during the initial process of waking up from centuries of mind-control, is MORE SAD than the centuries of mind-control themself.

reply to post by OzWeatherman

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Hi OzWeatherman,
seems you know lot about weather/chemtrails or what you call contrails.
I whas wondering: for weeks almost nothing happened above our heads here in Holland. Just normal weather and skies.

Then suddenly starting early in the morning they arrived and within a few hours our little country is completely covered with what I call chemtrails. (I know it whas everywhere in the country trough Dutch sites) You might call it contrails, anyway it hangs in the air for many hours and planes are in the sky forming more. Also I notice they spray the big towns the most (also towns without airports)
There are very much chemtrails for 2 days and then suddenly, without any weatherchange(!) the third day there is nothing to see anymore.

I'm not that much interested in the con/chemtrails discusion, but I wanna hear your opinion about this scenario of last week.
Why do I see heavy trail skies for 2 days and nothing the third?

And oh, there whas IMHO absolutely no weatherchange during these 3 days. No clouds, almost no wind and sunny.

Thanks,
Ahamarlin

reply to post by ahamarlin

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Did you see planes leaving the trails or were they left there? What did the look like exactly?

I need a little more information

Pics would be good to if you have any


[edit on 12/2/2008 by OzWeatherman]

reply to post by OzWeatherman

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No pics of last week. Its so common these days to see heavy trails above Holland, I dont take pics anymore.

I have seen most of the trails already hanging in the air but I remember seeing planes forming them also, looking at the them for a while. I look at the skies for a year now, the trails I see are left by plane. Some are disolving within 5-30 minutes, some hang there's for 2-10 hours or more, slowly fading into a mist depending on the wind.

reply to post by ahamarlin

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The reason some contraiils hang there and some dont depends on the humidity level in the air. If there is lots of water, the trail will form cloud, because the water particles in the hot exhaust from the jet engines clings onto water already in the atmosphere, it occurs in a process called superstauration. The more water molecules, the longer and thicker the contrail. Occasionally they spread out to form your "mist like" cloud, which is called cirrostratus. When contrails dont appear after a jet, it is because the air is not moist or cold enough for the water to form a trail. I could probably go into more depth but this is the most basic way I could explain it....hope it helps

reply to post by OzWeatherman

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Ok, so your say its depending on the humidity of the air. I can imagine the temperature is also a factor.
Why are these trails hanging there so long the last years. Why did nobody saw them lets say 10-15 (?) years ago?

reply to post by ahamarlin

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Yeah temperature is also a factor.....the moisture at that level can only sustain water as ice crystals, hence the cirrus and cirrostratus clouds which are made of ice.

There are pictures of contrails as early back as world war 2, so I dont know where you got 10-15 years from. I think it was Essan who posted them on here once

reply to post by ahamarlin

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They did. However there was no internet in those days ... Also, there were less commercial airflights so they were in any case less common. I saw in the paper at the weekend that in the next 20 years the number of air passengers is expected to rise 300%. That means in theory 3 times as many persistent contrails as today.

Try browsing through contrailscience.com...

reply to post by OzWeatherman

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OK thanks for your answers and time. Its just that I cannot remember seeing the trails whatever they are, when I whas younger. It might be cause of the increasing airtraffic.
Whats makes me keep looking at the skies is the possible connection between orbs and trails. Ive seen two, no camera with me.

Since then I always have a tele cam in the car, maybe I get lucky one of these days.

Perth, W.A. 12/8/8 8.24am north of McIver train station.

Just walking to the deli from work, i could see a plane letting off what looked like white smoke over about a 10km length of clear blue sky.

What is it?

It's called a contrail

Unless anyone can prove otherwise?