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reply posted on 12-7-2008 @ 10:40 PM by Hanslune


Howdy AATS

The correlation to Orion is not accurate and has been debated to death and it comes up lacking.

There were no Egyptians nor any Egyptian culture at the age you suggest. The pyramids are the apex of a long line of building tombs before and after them. They are not a one time event, they fit into a complete picture and context.

I would recommend that read about the workers village, the village of the guys who were actually building the pyramids.

RC dates them to the period the Egyptian themselves seem to think they were built-as do other indications - indications of an earlier age, none.

Could the Sphinx be older, possibly

"Dig under the pyramids", into limestone? I think you mean look for more passages. That is always possible.



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reply posted on 18-7-2008 @ 05:24 AM by Skyfloating


Follow the money

More leads for researchers into "Forbidden Egyptology".


Illicit Antiquities Research


Hawass on illegal digs



"There is currently a case of a mask in the St. Louis Museum of Art, which was stolen from the storage magazine at Saqqara [just south of Cairo] after 1959," Hawass said




Back in Egypt, illegal digs are a continuing problem for Hawass in a land with many valuable artifacts and many poor citizens.



But despite the agency's best efforts, illegal artifacts regularly end up on the international auction block.



According to Hawass, Dieter Arnold, an Egyptologist with the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, recently alerted him about an alabaster vessel in the shape of a duck in the Christie's catalog.



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reply posted on 18-7-2008 @ 05:51 AM by spacevisitor



Originally posted by Hanslune
I would recommend that read about the workers village, the village of the guys who were actually building the pyramids.


Hi Hanslune.
To reed that is indeed very interesting and that this workers village really exist is also very clear, but you have no proof whatsoever that those workers where indeed the actual builders of ALL the pyramids and especially the Great pyramid.



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reply posted on 18-7-2008 @ 10:49 AM by Hanslune


Howdy Spacevisitor

The village is located near the pyramids and has the facilities to support people at work. At that time period except for the very rich and royal who might have a chariot or man carried chair everybody walked. So what is within walking distance?

There are two village found so far, one for craftmen the other for manual laborers

The link

"The workmen at Giza who were accommodated in the dormitories, sleeping close together, numbered as many as 2,000 and they ate in a pillared hall the remains of which were found by Mark Lehner to the east of the galleries.

To the north of the workmen's camp is an artisan village where the technicians were housed with their families. The discovery of this village at Giza shows that each artisan, draftsman, craftsman or sculptor lived in a house that consisted of one room in which to store his material and a court to do his work in daylight. Attached to this area were sleeping quarters, a reception area and cooking quarters. They also had storage rooms for grain and other supplies.

The link

So Spacevisitor what were those specialist village doing next to the pyramids? Oh and they date to the time of the Giza pyramids too.



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reply posted on 18-7-2008 @ 01:35 PM by spacevisitor



Originally posted by Hanslune
Howdy Spacevisitor

The village is located near the pyramids and has the facilities to support people at work. At that time period except for the very rich and royal who might have a chariot or man carried chair everybody walked. So what is within walking distance?

There are two village found so far, one for craftmen the other for manual laborers

The link

"The workmen at Giza who were accommodated in the dormitories, sleeping close together, numbered as many as 2,000 and they ate in a pillared hall the remains of which were found by Mark Lehner to the east of the galleries.

To the north of the workmen's camp is an artisan village where the technicians were housed with their families. The discovery of this village at Giza shows that each artisan, draftsman, craftsman or sculptor lived in a house that consisted of one room in which to store his material and a court to do his work in daylight. Attached to this area were sleeping quarters, a reception area and cooking quarters. They also had storage rooms for grain and other supplies.

The link

So Spacevisitor what were those specialist village doing next to the pyramids? Oh and they date to the time of the Giza pyramids too.


Hi Hanslune, long time no see, how are you today, I hope alright.

I don’t know what they where doing there next to the pyramids, they could be worked on so many other things besides the pyramids.
And as Mark Lehner says himself in your linked article,

“Every discovery in the area is an important piece to a puzzle with no written key. "On the site we really have no texts," Lehner says, "so we interpret from what we find on the ground."

So they are only interpreting or guessing without facts about the real meaning of what those workers did next to the pyramids.
But that still doesn’t mean that even if that workmen’s village is located next to the pyramids and that it date to the time of the Giza pyramids the workers who lived there also build the pyramids, in my opinion.
But it is free to interpreted that they did.



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reply posted on 18-7-2008 @ 02:54 PM by Hanslune


Titles such as" overseer of the side of the pyramid,"" director of the draftsmen," "overseer of masonry," "director of workers," and "inspector of the craftsmen" are another indication that those buried in the upper part of the cemetery were of higher status than the people buried below. Perhaps the most important title we found was the "director for the king's work." I believe some of these are the tombs of the artisans who designed and decorated the Giza pyramid complexes and the administrators who oversaw their construction. We need, however, to analyze the names, pottery, and decoration of the tombs further to be sure they date to the time when the Giza pyramids were being built.

The link

BBC link

At Giza the workforce was divided into crews of approximately 2,000 and then sub-divided into named gangs of 1,000: graffiti show that the builders of the third Giza pyramid named themselves the 'Friends of Menkaure' and the 'Drunkards of Menkaure'. These gangs were divided into phyles of roughly 200. Finally the phyles were split into divisions of maybe 20 workers, who were allocated their own specific task and their own project leader.



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reply posted on 18-7-2008 @ 04:07 PM by bigfatfurrytexan


if these people built the pyramids, then why did they live around them when they were done? Being slaves, one would wonder what sort of status would be granted to have them buried so near such a sacred spot.

the graves just do not seem contemporary, logically.



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reply posted on 18-7-2008 @ 05:03 PM by Byrd



Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
if these people built the pyramids, then why did they live around them when they were done?


They didn't. As far as we can tell, they only lived there for the 80 or so years it took to build the three pyramids.



Being slaves, one would wonder what sort of status would be granted to have them buried so near such a sacred spot.

the graves just do not seem contemporary, logically.


Slaves?

None of them were slaves.

They were fairly high status craftsmen, supervisors, and priests as well as local families who came for the work and free food during the annual flood. They were usually well treated (the one exception seems to be Ahkenaton (the ruler who proclaimed monotheism) -- the village of the workers at Armana seems to be full of people with broken bones and the sign of a very poor diet. Lots of deaths at a fairly early age (20's or so)).

And as to burial place, it'd be better status for a family to have a relative buried "in the graveyard right next to the god-kings" where the priests offered all the proper sacrifices than in a little cemetary in the desert where (no kidding) the jackals roamed.



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