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reply posted on 28-3-2008 @ 05:34 PM by Harte
Originally posted by Skyfloating
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Let me ask you one thing which, at first, may seem to be off-topic:

Do you believe that time is linear?

The General Theory of Relativity indicates otherwise. I'm a firm believer in it.

It looks linear from our perspective. I don't see how stepping outside our own perspective will change anything unless we could stayout there.

Doesn't mean it islinear though.

Harte


reply posted on 28-3-2008 @ 05:40 PM by Skyfloating
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Alright...then, in this context: What do you make of the theory of evolution?


(Concerning those UFO-Photos or ancient astronaut theory, in regards to non-linear time, you probably know what Im getting at)

[edit on 28-3-2008 by Skyfloating]


reply posted on 28-3-2008 @ 07:12 PM by cormac mac airt
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If someone's willing to defend it, they should get to say what angle on it they are defending, right?


Hi Harte,

I would agree that Skyfloating has every right to defend HIS interpretation of what the Ancient Astronaut Theory is. But that's just it, it's HIS interpretation. Doesn't necessarily agree with Von Daniken, Berliltz, Sitchin or others. He didn't say he was making clear what HIS interpretation was, but what AAT WAS or WAS NOT. That's where I see the distinction.

cormac



[edit on 28-3-2008 by cormac mac airt]


reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 03:04 AM by spacevisitor
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Please accept my well-meant apologize lovely young Lady Byrd, it was definitely not my intention of course.
It was indeed as Harte says your avatar that fooled me.

Thanks for correcting me Harte.


reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 03:47 AM by drevill
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Hello

would you be able to give me a link to these photos? i'm new to all this.

much appreciated

david



reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 12:01 PM by Skyfloating
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Links to a thread containing these photos were posted by Harte before my post.


reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 02:32 AM by merka
reply to post by PhotonEffect


The earth is made up of horizontal layers you know. Its easy to see if a giant flood happened if you dig in the ground.

A similar way is how the layers of ice indicate volcanic eruptions (for example we have different datings of Thera, but we KNOW that a massive eruption happened near that time), or tree rings showing drought.



reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 04:17 AM by cormac mac airt
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Do archaeologists pay any attention to ancient texts?


For general and background purposes yes, but NOT for the purposes of proving ancient texts right.



It's been said, even a few times right here in this thread, that there was never a great flood in ancient times. That there's no evidence for one having ever occurred...


Correct. A great flood, as in ALL ENCOMPASSING, WORLDWIDE FLOOD, has never been shown to have happened. Extremely large, regional floods do occur.



What would be the evidence for a great flood that took place many thousands of years ago? How can it be said for certain that there never was one?


All floods leave a layer of sedimentation behind.

Many use the Biblical Flood when they ask about great floods so I'll use that example. If you believe that the story of the Biblical Flood is true then you also have to take into account the chronology of the people telling the story.

The Hebrews believed Adam was created in 3761/3760 BC and start their calendar from that time. Remember, their story begins in Iraq. According to the Bible, the Flood would have happened around 2104 BC. There is no contemporary record from any of the known civilizations of the world of a GLOBAL flood at that time. There is also no archaeological evidence.

There are, however, records of a large, regional flood originating in or around Shuruppak, Iraq dated to between 2750 BC and 2900 BC. This is the only significant flood within the time frame of the Hebrew calendar in ancient times. In the various accounts, Ziusudra, Atrahasis and Utnapishtim were told by their respective gods to build an ark. All three written versions of this story ARE OLDER than the written biblical account.



So if we go ahead and ignore what ancient civilizations wrote about referring to a great flood...


In the case of the above mentioned flood, which was probably the basis for the Biblical Flood, these stories were written nearly 1000 years after the event, by people who wouldn't have known its extent.

Each story should be taken in the context of what each civilization knew as THE WHOLE WORLD, not what we know.



What's the physical evidence either way?


Flood sedimentation of several feet, with indications of Ubaidian artifacts below that layer.

cormac


reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 07:03 AM by spacevisitor
reply to post by Harte



Originally posted by Harte
Skyfloating,
This makes me wonder if you've ever read this thread here at ATS - which I consider one of the best all-around threads in this genre:
Cicada's excellent thread on UFOs in Artwork

You should read that thread before your foot gets any further in.


I have taken a look to that thread too if you don’t mind and this is my take on two examples.
But it is a matter of interpretation in my opinion.

Originally posted by Cicada
Next we'll deal with image 1 and 1b of the above post, Carlo Crivelli's "Annunciation". The reasons why some would feel this image depicts UFO contact is obvious but once again most of this confusion lies in poor, blurry reproductions. It is in no way uncommon for Annunciation scenes to feature a ray of light descending from the sky to contact the Madonna.


Originally posted by Cicada
What appears here to be a flying saucer is in fact an illuminated cloud within which are two rings of golden angels.




Cicada is absolute right with this remark.
It looks indeed an illuminated cloud within which are two perfect round rings of golden angels, with a corona of lights at the outside ring that shines in all directions, and a very strong pencil like beam of light that is pointed strait down on “Madonna”.
But ask yourself the question, how realistic is it that real clouds look like that, even then.

So is it not absolute possible that the artist painted such an image because he new of the existence of such strange and unknown flying/floating light emitting objects or crafts of some kind.
And because he absolute don’t understand, and had no idea of what those strange crafts are, he painted it like an illuminated cloud within which are two perfect round rings of golden angels [crew?], with a corona of lights at the outside ring that shines in all directions, and a very strong pencil like beam of light, because that is acceptable in his view?
There is in my opinion nothing wrong with that possibility, and there is absolute evidence of trustworthy witnesses that speak of that reality, if you good accept that as evidence of course.

Originally posted by Cicada
Essentially the same can be said of the Aert DeGelder's (a rather obscure artist) "Baptism of Christ". The image as provided in the above post is extremely poor. In a better version the circular field in the sky is obviously occupied by a white dove, a standard symbol of the Holy Spirit. As an aspect of the Holy Trinity it is wholly normal that it is depicted within a luminous circle. Representing divine entities with radiant disks or halos is common in iconography of many cultures and religions. A clearer image again makes this easy to see:




Again, how realistic is it that you get the change to see a cloud such like this one too, I never have seen clouds like those, do you?
So, is it not realistic to ask why and for what reason is it so common in iconography of many cultures and religions to make images like that?
Is it not possible that they in fact did that because they see also in their timeframe these real extraterrestrial light emitting crafts of some sort, and what we today call Ufo’s?




[edit on 30/3/08 by spacevisitor]


reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 12:13 PM by merka
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Hm, you seem to put great effort into saying that these are not "realistic" clouds. Do you really think the artist intended it to be realistic?

It COULD be the artists interpretation of God and his angels looking down upon them from the sky and giving them their blessing...
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