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posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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It's very similar to hypnosis in that some people will ultimately remain skeptical at heart and therefore cannot be convinced, however the signs can't really be ignored (but people who've dabbled and had these things happen then generally put up with them and never say to anyone about them because they've proved it was'nt just their mind moving the planchette).

So long as he doesn't request physical proof, the entity will still in effect only be able to work *mostly* during the times he uses the board, however once its loose its not easy getting it back to where it come from. The main thing is that he realises if this whole tale is true, that he's opening himself to things that will not only prove that they exist, but they are not terribly friendly.

I've seen a fair amount of people over the years who've been EXTREMELY skeptical about the occult and then done something really stupid and the look of REAL fear in their face when you learn that they aren't skeptical anymore is priceless because they did it to themselves.

Sometimes these things don't catch anything seriously unpleasant, I think it depends, its a bit like say a train, sometimes it'll be empty, sometimes it'll be full of people who just want to get 'home', other times there will be people who certainly aren't the sort of people you want to follow you home. So, some people try it once, get nothing and they think its fake, so every time they try after, if again at all, nothing happens. Sometimes, the people get pleasant entities, some people will only get them (but IMO they aren't really all that nice they're just faking) It's like playing Russian Roulette with your soul, its just not worth it for a 'laugh' or to prove to yourself that these things exist.

I may be a Christian, but I have done many occultic things that might make people cry with fear and I learnt my lesson that something definitely exists. However, I won't try and make him stop, nor will I try and convert him, the decision to learn is free will and his alone - I only offer advice that it is dangerous.




posted on Feb, 9 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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You say it's ignorant of me to think that nothing will happen because he has told me it will. Therefore it's ignorant to think it will because I SAY SO. What people say isn't always true. And nothing else has happened even though I have continued on, only really getting repeats as of previous. So don't think you know everything, although ill get back to you if anything described DOES ACTUALLY happen, so don't flame me for being right up to now.

And if I AM wrong, then I'll pay the consequences won't I?

[Directed to sir_chancealot]

[edit on 9-2-2008 by Dinnj]



posted on Feb, 9 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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Get out while you can; you're treading on thin ice. Opening yourself up to all kinds of things. I've lived a long time in this body. Jesus is NOT in hell and you're making a deal with the wrong side. The devil disguises himself as an angel of light. Heed the warnings you're hearing here and make peace with God. Quija boards are nothing to play around with.



posted on Feb, 9 2008 @ 02:47 PM
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I am surprised to see that mostly everybody posting believes in the Ouiji board? I remember using one when I was young, but is it for real? Nobody has debunked or laughed about it yet. How is a board game able to connect you to the unknown and why is everyone so sure about it?



posted on Feb, 9 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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It really doesn't matter if YOU believe that nothing will happen to you. Example: If I don't believe that when I step in front of traffic a car will not harm me what do you think will happen? I end up in the morgue. Maybe a harsh example, but just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean that it is not real. I would be very careful, I have had experiences with ouji boards and have vowed to never touch one again. I would rather have God on my side, but it's your life.



posted on Feb, 9 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by imysbbad
I am surprised to see that mostly everybody posting believes in the Ouiji board? I remember using one when I was young, but is it for real? Nobody has debunked or laughed about it yet. How is a board game able to connect you to the unknown and why is everyone so sure about it?


imysbbad, this is usually because, like being able to prove it, debunking it is impossible. People may argue that a phenomenon known as idiometer motion creates the effects of communication, which is then argued only happens occasionally. People prove it's the case 100% of the time, it is then argued it is your subconscious moving, well just about anything can be applied. It is then countered by spirits or other entities controlling your subconscious or tapping into it.



posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 07:11 AM
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I didn't say you were ignorant in the sense that you're taking it, I mean that you don't know what will happen, but you're continuing anyway when the vast majority of people who have used these boards and have been contacted by 'evil' generally don't end up making a new friend and nothing good will happen, but its your choice, I was just warning you, that's all.



posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by idle_rocker
Get out while you can; you're treading on thin ice. Opening yourself up to all kinds of things. I've lived a long time in this body. Jesus is NOT in hell and you're making a deal with the wrong side. The devil disguises himself as an angel of light. Heed the warnings you're hearing here and make peace with God. Quija boards are nothing to play around with.


You sound like a religious person.

On another note, however. Jesus may not be in hell, but when the event was said to happen with Jesus being in hell (2013), taking mind that I heard this BEFORE I heard of the 2012 theory. Maybe the theory has something to do with it? Of the aftermath of a new hope? By NO means am I saying this is true, but it cannot be ruled out as impossible.



posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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When i was 13, me and a frined layed with an ouija board, it too, told us we were speaking with jesus, god, satan, the vigin mary. WE stopped playing it, becuase it started to spook us out too much. In reality, thier mischevous spirits or demons, trying to enter the door, your opening. IN my case, we started seeing transparent cats, one had a buzzsaw shaped head, we would get up to 13 phone callls every day, throgh ths period, with nothin but static. one time a door knob broke clean off from inside out house, another time, ide hear some movemnt up in our atic. Manyt imes, i heard thumpin noises coming form a bedroom next to mine, and at night, ide hear scrachin noises behid my bed. Ed and Lorraine Warren had come to our home, and did the best they could to clean it.... she said, we had let about 7, maybe 9 spirits in, one of them possibly being a demon.
The ouija board is a dangerous game, because whatever you let in, May harm you. dmons are not allowed to kill you, but are allowd to cuse bad physical harm to you. They want to break yuor free will form yuorself and god.
One woman i talked with 2 years ago, had played with a board, and few hours later, claimed she heard 'pig noises' behind her walls..... classic demonic infestation.
What you need to do my friend, is break the baord up into 7 pieces, and burry it. dont burn it. The spirits involved wit the baord, make the board, THEIR board, so burning it, is a no no, and may bring about retrabution.
burn white candles, and sage, and use some holy water in all rooms and tell them they have to leave, int he name of god. open all windows too.



posted on Feb, 11 2008 @ 11:39 AM
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Demons can't just let themselves in, you'd have to really to asking for it. As long as you remain authoratative you'll be ok. Don't question that, becuase i've maintained it and nothing bad HAS happened. (In MY case).



posted on Feb, 11 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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It's amazing to me that you'd try to talk to "god" through magik, but not directly nor by reading the Book that talks all about him. In that Book, it explains how God communicates, what He has said before, and not to use any kind of sorcery. Why? Well, that's in the Book too. Again, don't need a Book, talk direct. I've had him on the phone with a host of others so there aren't many voices I don't recognize. Take the advice of believers and non-believers who say messing with the board is trouble. Else, you'll find out why. Do you have to touch the iron frying pan on the stove to know that it is hot? Or does the fact that it's there and the stove is on enough?

[edit on 11-2-2008 by saint4God]



posted on Feb, 11 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Interesting point. And also I really appreciate the CONTSTRUCTIVE critisism. However one point I would like to point out is when you say do you have to touch something hot not to touch it. Well, infact, either you yourself must touch it to learn, or someone BEFORE you must do it to teach you not to. See my point?

The only critisism i'd have of what you said would be that i'm touching the hottest object I can find and it's not hurting any. (As of yet). Also I wouldn't say a ouija board is explicitly sorcery of any type, but excuse my ignorance if i'm wrong. Keep up the belief in God, if i'm wrong about that, then you can laugh at me from up in heaven.

[A note explicitly for "ejsaunders"]

"however I do believe in the physical existance of daemons too, but I too believe we give them their power"

Just thought I would quote that off you from a previous post in time. You say you believe in them which I agree with. But I also agree with the flaw of your arguement which is, "but I too believe we give them their power".

This means that although you're right in the fact if i'm not wary i'll get hurt with the fire i'm playing with. Even you yourself say we give them their power. So if i'm not afraid of them, however CONSCIOUS and WARY of them, do some research. Then I should be safe. Thanks for some good advice though, I appreciate it.

[edit on 11-2-2008 by Dinnj]



posted on Feb, 11 2008 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by Dinnj
Well, infact, either you yourself must touch it to learn, or someone BEFORE you must do it to teach you not to. See my point?


I do, and is my point as well. Would you prefer to listen to someone who did, or do it yourself? One decision is a lot less painful.


Originally posted by Dinnj
The only critisism i'd have of what you said would be that i'm touching the hottest object I can find and it's not hurting any. (As of yet).


As of yet. Subtlety does not mean "free from danger". A timebomb with 60 minutes left isn't hurting anyone either.


Originally posted by Dinnj
Also I wouldn't say a ouija board is explicitly sorcery of any type, but excuse my ignorance if i'm wrong.


It is, and it's not just believers in God who would say so.


Originally posted by Dinnj
Keep up the belief in God, if i'm wrong about that, then you can laugh at me from up in heaven.


Actually that would suck
. Anyone who would think that's funny probably wouldn't make it past the gates.



posted on Feb, 11 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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Mm, I suppose it wouldn't be all that too funny. But really I must emphasise how much I appreciate your critisism, it has been a long time since I have seen a cohesive arguement. Rest assured I will definately take ontice of what you have said, (As I have indeed with what everyone has said.)



posted on Feb, 11 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God
It's amazing to me that you'd try to talk to "god" through magik, but not directly nor by reading the Book that talks all about him. In that Book, it explains how God communicates, what He has said before, and not to use any kind of sorcery. Why? Well, that's in the Book too. Again, don't need a Book, talk direct. I've had him on the phone with a host of others so there aren't many voices I don't recognize. Take the advice of believers and non-believers who say messing with the board is trouble. Else, you'll find out why. Do you have to touch the iron frying pan on the stove to know that it is hot? Or does the fact that it's there and the stove is on enough?

[edit on 11-2-2008 by saint4God]


Nothing personal, but the first thing you state would be relative to someones own beliefs on just who God really is, how to get in contact with this said God fellow, among other things.

The part about the Bible and what God has said, I think that too is a relative to ones beliefs. For personally I think that the believing in the Bible or the word of God BECAUSE it's God is just slightly ridiculous and pretentious.

Maybe I'm taking this too far, but I also think that your example about the heat from the stove and pan is just a little biased as well. The effects of extreme heat onto ones flesh can easily be monitored and proved, while the effects of using a ouji board have been under scrutiny and debate, probably since it's creation. Personally I've never used one, though I'm curious to try it.

I say let the guy do as he wishes, just use caution.

[edit on 052929p://upMonday by Psuedonym]



posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 05:48 AM
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Belief and the mind are strange however. Normal, 'magick' the kind that makes these daemons is all really about WANT and the power of your mind. It's like those X-Files or Dr Who episodes that focus on the fact the mind can kill (the one with the kid, I think it was called 'Scary Monsters' or something similar, and the Dr Who one was a kid too).

Adults are somewhat condititioned to disbelief, the 'occult' isn't there, never has been, but children are less conditioned. Those who were ultimately good sorcerers, were those who kept their belief well into adulthood and that's ultimately how it works, the 'law of attraction', think good you get good, think bad you get bad. Think about what you want, you get it.

The subconcious is MORE powerful and we can rarely change that however, even when we truly believe we want something so bad ultimately a part of us will think we'll never achieve it, so it never happens. If we can convince ALL of our mind to work together, I think a lot more people would get what they wish for on a regular basis.

Purely because you disbelieve when doing it, does not mean your subconcious isn't afraid and that is far stronger and ultimately has the last say, so this niggle is what is important - you believe whether you want to or not, purely because you're trying the board. People who think it doesn't work AT ALL wouldn't try it, there'd be no point, so deep down you believe and there's where the daemon has you.

On the point of if you 'touch something', you've answered you own question - there are many on this board, myself included who have been troubled by daemons, mine wasn't through a board, but I summoned it nonetheless. It's better to not touch that hot pan when you're a kid and helping in the kitchen and let your mum tell you its hot, than to burn yourself. We're just concerned that you're ignoring the warnings of those who HAVE done something stupid and regretted it SO MUCH ever since. We've touched that hot pan, and some of us still bear the VERY VIVID scars to this day. Some of us are 'adults' in the world of the occult, whereas you have admitted this is your first try, so we're being your parent and telling you THAT PAN IS HOT!



posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Psuedonym
The part about the Bible and what God has said, I think that too is a relative to ones beliefs.


Very well, skip the Bible for now and go right to God. Candidly, this is the way I had to do it. It's longer and slower, but glad I found the right spot eventually. Please don't be surprised however if He points back to the Book as it was in my case.


Originally posted by Psuedonym
For personally I think that the believing in the Bible or the word of God BECAUSE it's God is just slightly ridiculous and pretentious.


Understandable. I don't think I offended God when I critically analysed it and would invite anyone to do the same. If one accepts God as the one who gave us a mind, what a waste of His resources it would be to not use it.


Originally posted by Psuedonym
Maybe I'm taking this too far, but I also think that your example about the heat from the stove and pan is just a little biased as well.


It is biased because I burnt my hand.

Thank you for the courteous tone in your reply, I'm looking forward to future discussions.

[edit on 12-2-2008 by saint4God]



posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 11:49 AM
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Ej, not only do I find, "Some of us are 'adults' in the world of the occult, whereas you have admitted this is your first try, so we're being your parent and telling you THAT PAN IS HOT!" not only heavily patronising, but also a little ill informed maybe? Stop my rant whenever you feel necessary but I can't remember saying this was my first try in the occult. I mentioned once that "After a while" we had found something interesting with the board. Forgive the slack detail, but after a while means a few months, (We weren't at it every day, and we were vey busy around that time.) You're right to say it's my first dabble, (Although I never said it was, well interpreted.) I've done my homework nonetheless, if I wasn't interested in learning about thins I wouldn't have made a thread asking about it


P.S. Thanks for the opinion, i'll definately be more careful.



posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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I don't mean to be condescending or sound argumentative, its just I've experienced some of the weird, and some of the scary and I dabbled a LOT in the occult, as a child and young adult and I am sorry every single day that I didn't have someone say to me not to do it or what the possible consequences were.

I'm merely afraid for you and the consequences on your soul and mind. I didn't believe in God and I wanted answers and power, but all I found was misery and pain, just either please be careful and use something like the LBRP (Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentegram) after the board or don't use it at all. I can't make you find God, but ultimately, its a sensible step after doing the occult, just PLEASE be careful.



posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 10:28 PM
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Thanks for your understanding. I'll be looking forward to future discussions as well.




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