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Originally posted by weedwhacker
For ULTIMA, I was trying to point out that an ACARS mssg was sent at 0924, and respopnded to at 0926, and 'Mayday..' was recorded on ATC tapes...at 0928. You asked how do we know it was UA93, I said becauuse UA175 and AA11 were down already,

But wasn't Flight 93 hijacked by 0928?

Also do not forget Delta Flight 1989 also made a mayday call and was even confuesed for Flight 93 for a while.

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But wasn't Flight 93 hijacked by 0928?

Do you mean Flight 77?

If yes, then that would be highly unlikely. Flight 77 was never in Cleveland ARTCC which means that the hijackers would have had to change to Cleveland frequency before the pilots yelled May Day.

Also do not forget Delta Flight 1989 also made a mayday call and was even confuesed for Flight 93 for a while.

I've never heard of Delta 1989 making a mayday call, can you source that?

Originally posted by Boone 870I've never heard of Delta 1989 making a mayday call, can you source that?

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:19:40 EDT
Subject: A close brush with death and happy to be alive

Dear Friends,

Many of you knew that [my spouse] and I and many [fellow] employees were on an 8 am flight from Boston to LA on Tuesday morning. I am happy to be alive and to be able to tell you of the events of our harrowing journey. Even though it has been only 48 hours since we departed Logan, it feels as though a lifetime has passed.

[My spouse] and I and six other fellow [...] employees were on the 8 am flight from Boston to Los Angeles on Tuesday, but we were on the Delta flight [1989], the one out of three 8am flights departing Logan that did not get hijacked. Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane. The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.

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ULTIMA,

Where exactly does the info you posted mention the pilots of DL 1989 making a 'MayDay' call?

Let me put this question another way...a US airline operating in US airspace will declare a 'MayDay' only if presented with a serious mechanical problem, such as a catastrophic engine failure that also affects flight controls...something that requires extreme priority handling.

To put this in perspective, in 1999 I had to shut down an engine on my B757, shortly after take-off from a NYC area airport. It was not a 'Fire-Warning', it was an 'Overheat-Warning'. (Fire warnings are red lights, OVHT warns are yellow). In any event, our checklist took us through the steps, to a shut-down. Now, we cannot continue the flight, obviously, and regs require a diversion to 'nearest suitable' airport. Since we had just left the NYC are, full of snow and bad weather, I diverted to Dulles (IAD), since it was CAVU. AT no time did I declare a 'MayDay', even though we had a situation. We informed ATC of our engine-out, and we got priority handling...because we were in constant communication with ATC...

BTW, didn't tell the pax, just told them it was mechanical. No need to unnecessarily invoke fear or panic.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Where exactly does the info you posted mention the pilots of DL 1989 making a 'MayDay' call?

"Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane."

[edit on 5-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Where exactly does the info you posted mention the pilots of DL 1989 making a 'MayDay' call?

"Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane."

[edit on 5-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Again, this is not the 'MayDay' that is so commonly presented in movies...

Let me ask you, ULTIMA, if you know the other radio call that may be used, by an airplane, before the 'Mayday' call?

Guess you can look it up on the Web. Maybe not, I will wait to see if you know.

Another thing...we all know the term 'MayDay', right? Know its derivation???

Hint...it's French....

AND, professional pilots do NOT call for help, at first instinct.

[one spelling error]

[edit on 5-3-2008 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Again, this is not the 'MayDay' that is so commonly presented in movies...

Well funny though since they also recieved a "secure cockpit door" messeage they would have called or set the emergency code on the transponder if they thought a hijacking was taking place or a bomb on board.


[edit on 6-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Again, this is not the 'MayDay' that is so commonly presented in movies...

Well funny though since they also recieved a "secure cockpit door" messeage they would have called or set the emergency code on the transponder if they thought a hijacking was taking place or a bomb on board.


[edit on 6-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Yes, ULTIMA, we have discussed this. I have told you how it works, in the ACARS, when a message is sent via ACARS. It takes time to puch the button to bring up the message. Then, it takes time to 'type' in the answer. assuming you just don't push the ONE button that is there to 'Acknowlege' the original message...

In order to 'type in' from the FMS keypad, it is not the QWERTY style, it is ABCDEF, not sure if that's a 'style', but it is not a keyboard as you type on, it is alphabetical. AND, numerical too, at the bottom.

Please, you can look this up online, it's not hard to find. Yeah, you can accuse me of finding it online, but what you won't find online is how to align the IRSs. You won't find about how the initial page has to be given a location, and how that is done, before the systems will begin to align....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Yes, ULTIMA, we have discussed this. I have told you how it works, in the ACARS, when a message is sent via ACARS.

That was for flight 93 not flight 1989.

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There have been quite a few links to videos showing a B757, or military variant, flying at high speeds very close to the ground. THAT is the discussion at hand, not UA93.

False Flag, or not, isn't the topic of discussion here. Let's start a new thread???

There have been quite a few links to videos showing a B757, or military variant, flying at high speeds very close to the ground. THAT is the discussion at hand, not UA93.

I have a video of a model 757 showing how large turbulents would be at high speed close to the ground.

www.onera.fr...