Originally posted by weedwhacker
For ULTIMA, I was trying to point out that an ACARS mssg was sent at 0924, and respopnded to at 0926, and 'Mayday..' was recorded on ATC tapes...at 0928. You asked how do we know it was UA93, I said becauuse UA175 and AA11 were down already,

But wasn't Flight 93 hijacked by 0928?

Also do not forget Delta Flight 1989 also made a mayday call and was even confuesed for Flight 93 for a while.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Where exactly does the info you posted mention the pilots of DL 1989 making a 'MayDay' call?

"Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane."

[edit on 5-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Where exactly does the info you posted mention the pilots of DL 1989 making a 'MayDay' call?

"Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane."

[edit on 5-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Again, this is not the 'MayDay' that is so commonly presented in movies...

Let me ask you, ULTIMA, if you know the other radio call that may be used, by an airplane, before the 'Mayday' call?

Guess you can look it up on the Web. Maybe not, I will wait to see if you know.

Another thing...we all know the term 'MayDay', right? Know its derivation???

Hint...it's French....

AND, professional pilots do NOT call for help, at first instinct.

[one spelling error]

[edit on 5-3-2008 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Again, this is not the 'MayDay' that is so commonly presented in movies...

Well funny though since they also recieved a "secure cockpit door" messeage they would have called or set the emergency code on the transponder if they thought a hijacking was taking place or a bomb on board.


[edit on 6-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Again, this is not the 'MayDay' that is so commonly presented in movies...

Well funny though since they also recieved a "secure cockpit door" messeage they would have called or set the emergency code on the transponder if they thought a hijacking was taking place or a bomb on board.


[edit on 6-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Yes, ULTIMA, we have discussed this. I have told you how it works, in the ACARS, when a message is sent via ACARS. It takes time to puch the button to bring up the message. Then, it takes time to 'type' in the answer. assuming you just don't push the ONE button that is there to 'Acknowlege' the original message...

In order to 'type in' from the FMS keypad, it is not the QWERTY style, it is ABCDEF, not sure if that's a 'style', but it is not a keyboard as you type on, it is alphabetical. AND, numerical too, at the bottom.

Please, you can look this up online, it's not hard to find. Yeah, you can accuse me of finding it online, but what you won't find online is how to align the IRSs. You won't find about how the initial page has to be given a location, and how that is done, before the systems will begin to align....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Yes, ULTIMA, we have discussed this. I have told you how it works, in the ACARS, when a message is sent via ACARS.

That was for flight 93 not flight 1989.

Originally posted by weedwhackerSorry, ULTIMA, link airn't workin'!

Try again?

Thanks.

Sorry old link, will see if i can get a newer one.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

I think what alot of people are ignoring is the incredible amount of lift you are going to get if you try to go over 500 mph at sea level. I would venture to say, to fly that fast at that elevation, level, you would have to have the control column pushed completely forward, and even that would not likely keep the nose from going up. What causes nose up and nose down control, is the elevator control surfaces, on the tail of the aircraft. raising or lowering the elevator causes the aircraft to pivot on the axis that goes through wingtip to wingtip. The elevator pushes the tail up to make the nose go down. However, if you have an increasing force under your wings, pushing the wings upward, and your tail is also being pushed upward (to attempt to nose-down), the entire aircraft is going to rise. At that speed, it would be like flying with your flaps down. 500mph is perfectly feasible at 35,000'. But flying at sea-level at 500mph, causes the exact same forces and stresses on the aircraft as if it were flying at 2000mph at 35,000'. This is not possible in a 767. And before anyone asks, no, I am not a pilot. I was in the AF, as a mechanic, and am moderately familiar with flight controls and aerodynamics.