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Originally posted by brianhks
It even becomes easier when taking the life is just a push of a button and there is no face to face confrontation. For example, "blow up that house there are insurgents in there", when in reality it is a man defending is family from what he believes to be unconstitutional actions.
The more chaotic the situation the easier it is to perceive a threat that isn't real. So do I think the military will fire upon citizens? Yes! They will do what they are programmed to do if the situation is right, that is what makes them good soldiers and keeps them alive.
Originally posted by BlueRaja
If American, I assume by insurgent, you mean they have resorted to violent methods to show their disagreement with the government. Could you give an example where you think that resorting to violence vs. other means would be appropriate.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Originally posted by ludaChris
Values Message from General Petraeus
This letter to the troops in Iraq gives us all a good glimpse into Petraeus' values and into his personal views. This doesn't sound like a commander who would allow such actions to be taken against American Citizens and certainly doesn't tolerate such actions against non-combatants in Iraq. I pray to God that we have more commanders like him in our military and am sure we do. If such a 'round up' of Americans ever does come to pass, I believe we can rely on such men in our military to help prevent it from going any further and hopefully prevent it completely. This is why I believe we have the military on our side and we should not fear but embrace that idea.
Originally posted by RedDragon69
One instance I will state as an example, is one soldiers son was attacked by several other students in school and basically had the chit beat out of him. This young man was disciplined by the school for defending himself. The mother raised hell with the school because the son was merely defending himself when he fought back. The soldier returned home from his tour a couple months later and went ballistic towards the wife and son because they were "contesting the school's rules" towards no fighting.
The relevancy here is that this soldier and his whole platoon had disappeared in Iraq for 2 weeks with no word in or out of the platoon. It was AFTER this disappearnce that said soldier started showing signs of a very unhealthy mental attitude for "obeying the rules" After some inquiries to friends around the country, literally thousands of our troops have had this same 2 week "disappearnce" happen and afterwards most have severe personality changes. Many returning from Iraq have demonstrated bizarre behaviors, some to the point of killing their families before turning the guns upon themselves.
So.......based on what I know of the number of returning troops exhibiting this behavior pattern of "obeying the rules", Do I think they will fire on American Citizens? Damn right they will if they perceive the Citizens as not "obeying the rules!"
[edit on 6-2-2008 by RedDragon69]
Originally posted by saturnsrings
reply to post by BlueRaja
Fascinating response, except for the last part, where reps can use their own judgement, so in other words, their agenda. Every politician has an agenda, be damned what they say while campaigning, they all say whatever we want to hear just to get elected, then they give the finger to those whom, elected them, they have their own agenda to fulfill.
Perfect, Liars, cheats and theives, all of them.
I's still like to see Ron Paul get some air time.
Originally posted by COOL HAND
Aren't there rules about submitting heresay articles around here? If not, there should be.
I am not sure I see a problem here, anyone who joins the military takes an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foregin AND domestic.
Why is this suddenly a shock to people around here?