U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens, page 1
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reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 11:54 AM by BlueRaja
reply to post by manbearpig



That story is BS. There is no training going on to shoot Americans, family members and friends, etc.. getting ready for martial law. Far too many here take prison planet as gospel truth, without doing any research, or independant thinking.


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:08 PM by Raist
Actually I was talking about this subject with a friend who returned from Iraq two years ago. He mentioned before that he has seen the survey asking troops if they would fire upon citizens. He said he could not believe they were asking such questions. His response gives me hope that there are those in the military and law enforcement that will drop the group and fight with the citizens. I have met others who fall into the same category as the friend I work with so I know there are still good people with soon (how soon is to be debated) to be bad jobs.

I am sure though there are also the gung-ho bravado types who will answer yes just so they can go out and blast someone “legally”. Luckily it is this type that I believe to be truly rare so that there are fewer of these out there to deal with or worry about. These are the ones happy to torture and cause grief or pain to anyone who breaths and are barely though not always controlled.

Then I know of another who I used to work with and his type also has me worried. These are those who are now mentally warped and believe that there is nothing better than what the government says. These are the ones who will not ask questions because their government would not lie to them. These are the type the government feed off of the most as they are very easy to control and capable of feeling no empathy for whom ever is deemed the enemy. These are the types that worry me the most.

Of the current military and law enforcement in the U.S. today I would rank the numbers as follows.

49% overall good guys who will join the forces with the citizens.

33% controlled robots who believe every word that spills from the lips of government and under easy control.

14% nut cases out to cause pain for all that they can and only partially controlled.

4% unsure of their standing at this moment.

These numbers might be off slightly that is where the 4% comes in at. While many would like to believe the numbers to be lower for the “over all good guy” because of all the reports and videos released about abuse. But one needs to remember that if this were more prevalent there would be far more reports than there are. That and these reports are often rehashed for days at a time in order to make it be seen more.

Raist


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:09 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by ItsHumanNature



Blackwater employees are citizens too, and no- they don't kill for money. Most Blackwater employees have never had to shoot or kill anybody, and they certainly aren't out doing contract kills as your assertion would imply.


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:11 PM by ItsHumanNature
reply to post by BlueRaja




Again: BLACKWATER is a private army. They contract out their services. This is the definition of mercenary. All the shouting and stamping of feet you want to do will not change this fact.



reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:14 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by Raist



I think your numbers are a bit off. 90+ percent are good guys, and the rest suffer from lack of discipline/indiscipline, or had screwed up pasts prior to serving. I have yet to see in my 15yrs of service, any mindless robots. I also have yet to see any gung ho bravado types that want to shoot Americans, so they can kill someone legally.


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:17 PM by ItsHumanNature
reply to post by BlueRaja




Also here is another fact for those of you that think we are safe from our own army: It is not now nor has it ever been a requirement that somebody be a U.S. citizen to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces .Our forces have many non citzens in their ranks right now, so the would citizens shoot their own countrymen point is moot.
Ditto for BLACKWATER.


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:20 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by ItsHumanNature



Yes- Blackwater employees receive a salary, and yes they are hired. Last time I checked, anyone who is employeed has met this criteria. In some jobs that Blackwater employees do(i.e. the facility/VIP security), they carry firearms as well. Some Blackwater employees help train law enforcement and military personnel in specialized skills(many Blackwater employees are former law enforcement/military with specialized training). Some do consulting work. Some push pencils behind a desk. What they are not is some psychopath/sociopath, looking to get thrills killing people, or conducting contract hits. Words mean things, and contract killer has a pretty specific meaning too.

[edit on 4-2-2008 by BlueRaja]


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:22 PM by Raist
reply to post by BlueRaja



I was not speaking only of shooting Americans, but simply speaking in general terms worldwide.

You can say what you want I know what I have personally heard from my friend who is trust worthy. I have also heard the words of the mindless robot guy I used to work with when I ask him about this last year, his response was yes he would fire upon U.S. citizens if ask to. He made no mention of asking why they should be shot nor did he seem to care because he was simply told to do so he would.

The friend who I was speaking with this about again the other day is still in the National Guard and has met others who would shoot citizens if ask to do so.

The question could be seen as generic though so not all numbers are correct in the survey. Some who said yes might turn out to be the “overall good guy” who did not bother to ask what the situation was for the question to be answered.

I doubt though that the numbers are as high as you say for the “overall good guy type”. Though I would not say my number are higher for the “nut job and robots” either they may in fact be less.

Raist


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:26 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by ItsHumanNature



There are non-citizens in the military, but not a statistically significant number, and they aren't serving in any critical leadership positions, or have access to sensitive info.



reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:26 PM by ItsHumanNature
reply to post by BlueRaja



Fascinating post raj, but if I may ask, what does this have to do with the price of oysters in China? Your "commenteries" all consist of denials, attacks, obfuscation , and mis-direction, this last item being a good description of your last post.
If you want to discuss how great BLACKWATER employees are fine, go start a thread on it, it has NOTHING to do with whether American troops would fire on American Citizens.


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:31 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by Raist



So these folks who would fire on US citizens had no context for what situation that such an eventuality might require that? Are you trying to imply that they would be conducting offensive actions against US citizens, or would these shootings be in a self defense nature? I guarantee you, that the military would not be shooting anybody without question, under the first scenario.


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:35 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by ItsHumanNature



My comments on Blackwater were in response to another poster. My other comments are based upon real world experience as to what sort of things the military trains to do. Sorry if you don't like the perspective of someone more likely to know what they're talking about, than someone repeating something that they heard.


reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 12:35 PM by ItsHumanNature
reply to post by BlueRaja


I already stated a concrete undeniable answer to the OP: Would American troops fire on American Citizens. The answer is YES, because they already have done so. I could stay here all day and hit the "softballs" you are tossing, but I won't, because I am certain that your intention is to make me do exactly that. Good Day sir.
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