Having patriotic pride is not about showing it over all things, even arguably better ones (that is patrioterism, or nearly nazism). Besides, USA is
the model in wich the EU is based. You want to choose between EU and USA? Well, but that is almost *the same* (and don't get me started about this):
a conglomerate of States ruled by a single hand in USA and a single council n EU, with many nearly autonomous State governments.
You want to work for the USA? Good for you if you like it. I dissaprove many things my government has done, but approve many other things. Don't
expect to think the USA government is going to do only the things you would approve, because it's not.
P.S.: About chinese censorship, do you know about Steganography? 
...and about the USA Army invading my homeland to make me 'free', sorry but no way, I would not be happy with that. I'm free thinking right now,
thanks. If USA Army wants to do tourism, better do it in friendliest ways.
[Edited on 2002-12-25 by MakodFilu]
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 Originally posted by MakodFilu
1) Besides, USA is the model in wich the EU is based. You want to choose between EU and USA? Well, but that is almost *the same* (and don't get me
started about this): a conglomerate of States ruled by a single hand in USA and a single council n EU, with many nearly autonomous State
governments.
2) Don't expect to think the USA government is going to do only the things you would approve, because it's not.
3) P.S.: About chinese censorship, do you know about Steganography?
4) ...and about the USA Army invading my homeland to make me 'free', sorry but no way, I would not be happy with that. I'm free thinking right now,
thanks. If USA Army wants to do tourism, better do it in friendliest ways.
1) If it's almost the same, explain me why one is strong and the other one is weak ?
2) Don't worry for me. I'm not fool. I know that you cannot agree ALL THE TIME with your country. But you know, in 90%, I allways disagree with the
EU and allways agree with the US.
An exemple ? I agree with the EU when they say " niet " to Turkey when she want to join the EU, and I 'don't agree with the US when they support
the Turkey when she want to join the EU.
3) Yes I know.  But it doesn't change anything. When a chinese look on internet for a steganography software, the China Gov know it ( the guy have
an IP ), and if he don't remove the software.....Also, they can block many websites.So, their peoples are not able to reach them.Then, steganography
or not,when you are a chinese, you are fuc%ed ! 
4) tssss...tssss.....Whe they will invades you, you'll regret what you wrote.  I will tell them that you don't like them !
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Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
1) If it's almost the same, explain me why one is strong and the other one is weak ?
Because we don't see thing the same way. I see one strong and one even stronger. Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't care. If you like USA politics more, go USA. Nothing stops you to do so (besides your work, I hope you'll find a remedy for that)
Maybe, who knows, but again, there is a Chinese member here, so there can be better ways to circumvent the censorship wich I don't know, or simply,
we both are forgotting something.
I regret nothing. I hope you regret this 4th point, because it sounded childish, don't you think?
...and sure, I don't like USA politicians as you don't like EU politicians. It's a matter of tastes. I have good USA friends, but sometimes USA
politicians plainly sucks.
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I don't understand everything but I guess the U.S. isn't really 'humanfriendly'??
US Rogue State
1. In December 2001, the United States officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time
in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.
2. 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention ratified by 144 nations including the United States. In July 2001 the US walked out of a London
conference to discuss a 1994 protocol designed to strengthen the Convention by providing for on-site inspections. At Geneva in November 2001, US
Undersecretary of State John Bolton stated that "the protocol is dead," at the same time accusing Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Sudan, and Syria
of violating the Convention but offering no specific allegations or supporting evidence.
3. UN Agreement to Curb the International Flow of Illicit Small Arms, July 2001: the US was the only nation to oppose it.
4. April 2001, the US was not re-elected to the UN Human Rights Commission, after years of withholding dues to the UN (including current dues of $244
million)-and after having forced the UN to lower its share of the UN budget from 25 to 22 percent. (In the Human Rights Commission, the US stood
virtually alone in opposing resolutions supporting lower-cost access to HIV/AIDS drugs, acknowledging a basic human right to adequate food, and
calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.)
5. International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty, to be set up in The Hague to try political leaders and military personnel charged with war crimes and
crimes against humanity. Signed in Rome in July 1998, the Treaty was approved by 120 countries, with 7 opposed (including the US). In October 2001
Great Britain became the 42nd nation to sign. In December 2001 the US Senate again added an amendment to a military appropriations bill that would
keep US military personnel from obeying the jurisdiction of the proposed ICC.
6. Land Mine Treaty, banning land mines; signed in Ottawa in December 1997 by 122 nations. The United States refused to sign, along with Russia,
China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Egypt, and Turkey. President Clinton rejected the Treaty, claiming that mines were needed to protect
South Korea against North Korea's "overwhelming military advantage." He stated that the US would "eventually" comply, in 2006; this was disavowed
by President Bush in August 2001.
7. Kyoto Protocol of 1997, for controlling global warming: declared "dead" by President Bush in March 2001. In November 2001, the Bush
administration shunned negotiations in Marrakech (Morocco) to revise the accord, mainly by watering it down in a vain attempt to gain US approval.
8. In May 2001, refused to meet with European Union nations to discuss, even at lower levels of government, economic espionage and electronic
surveillance of phone calls, e-mail, and faxes (the US "Echelon" program),
9. Refused to participate in Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)-sponsored talks in Paris, May 2001, on ways to crack down
on off-shore and other tax and money-laundering havens.
10. Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001
11. September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa
12. International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US
was the only one to oppose it.
13. Enforcing an illegal boycott of Cuba, now being made tighter. In the UN in October 2001, the General Assembly passed a resolution, for the tenth
consecutive year, calling for an end to the US embargo, by a vote of 167 to 3 (the US, Israel, and the Marshall Islands in opposition).
14. Comprehensive [Nuclear] Test Ban Treaty. Signed by 164 nations and ratified by 89 including France, Great Britain, and Russia; signed by President
Clinton in 1996 but rejected by the Senate in 1999. The US is one of 13 nonratifiers among countries that have nuclear weapons or nuclear power
programs. In November 2001, the US forced a vote in the UN Committee on Disarmament and Security to demonstrate its opposition to the Test Ban
Treaty.
15. In 1986 the International Court of Justice (The Hague) ruled that the US was in violation of international law for "unlawful use of force" in
Nicaragua, through its actions and those of its Contra proxy army. The US refused to recognize the Court's jurisdiction. A UN resolution calling for
compliance with the Court's decision was approved 94-2 (US and Israel voting no).
16. In 1984 the US quit UNESCO (UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) and ceased its payments for UNESCO's budget, over the New World
Information and Communication Order (NWICO) project designed to lessen world media dependence on the "big four" wire agencies (AP, UPI, Agence
France-Presse, Reuters). The US charged UNESCO with "curtailment of press freedom," as well as mismanagement and other faults, despite a 148-1 in
vote in favor of NWICO in the UN. UNESCO terminated NWICO in 1989; the US nonetheless refused to rejoin. In 1995 the Clinton administration proposed
rejoining; the move was blocked in Congress and Clinton did not press the issue. In February 2000 the US finally paid some of its arrears to the UN
but excluded UNESCO, which the US has not rejoined.
17. Optional Protocol, 1989, to the UN's International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, aimed at abolition of the death penalty and containing
a provision banning the execution of those under 18. The US has neither signed nor ratified and specifically exempts itself from the latter provision,
making it one of five countries that still execute juveniles (with Saudi Arabia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria). China abolished the
practice in 1997, Pakistan in 2000.
18. 1979 UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women. The only countries that have signed but not ratified are the
US, Afghanistan, Sao Tome and Principe.
19. The US has signed but not ratified the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which protects the economic and social rights of children.
The only other country not to ratify is Somalia, which has no functioning government.
20. UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, 1966, covering a wide range of rights and monitored by the Committee on
Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. The US signed in 1977 but has not ratified.
21. UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 1948. The US finally ratified in 1988, adding several "reservations" to
the effect that the US Constitution and the "advice and consent" of the Senate are required to judge whether any "acts in the course of armed
conflict" constitute genocide. The reservations are rejected by Britain, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Mexico, Estonia, and
others.
22. Is the status of "we're number one!" Rogue overcome by generous foreign aid to given less fortunate countries? The three best aid providers,
measured by the foreign aid percentage of their gross domestic products, are Denmark (1.01%), Norway (0.91%), and the Netherlands (0.79), The three
worst: USA (0.10%), UK (0.23%), Australia, Portugal, and Austria (all 0.26).
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