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UFO-Electromagnetic Levitation Demonstration

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posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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hey hey hey!

looks like we're getting somewhere! w00t!

How did he think to wrap the coils around the disk? reverse engineering? or are we as mankind simply evolving to the next step of technological breakthroughs?

nice find OP!
a star and a well deserved flag for you!

EDITED TO ADD:
so he tells us that its just 250 wraps of wire...
can't we do this?
oooh look slike i have an experiment on my hands!

[edit on 3-2-2008 by Odessy]




posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 11:02 AM
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Why don't you take a look at the real deal, and what the coil is all about...

blog.myspace.com...




Sorry, edited in error.

[edit on 3-2-2008 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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If you are talking about the Dr Boylan stuff I read that source a long time ago, it was interesting.

However what I am specifically saying is there is nothing to stop anyone doing there own experimentation, the example looks almost school boyish and yet I have not seen anyone report on their experiences with this setup.

Of course you would have to be carefull with the high voltage and brave methinks but you would think someone would of tried this.

Yeah, I know I should try it myself, but A. we are on 240 volts here and I believe the Dr Boylan example was carried out in the US, and B. I am just a little bit chicken



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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have you guys seen this as well?





[edit on 3-2-2008 by Odessy]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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Why don't you take a look at the real deal, and what anti-gravity is all about...

blog.myspace.com...









For the true benefits of this structure you should research the Hutchison (effect), Tesla (wi-tricity), and Ed Leedskalnin (coral castle). These aren't flukes people. I'm trying to provide the answers here.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 11:14 AM
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so he tells us that its just 250 wraps of wire...
can't we do this?
oooh look slike i have an experiment on my hands!


Excellent !, someone to pickup the challenge.

I hope you are in the US or at least able to simulate 120v at the right frequency. (whatever that is, 50hz perhaps).

It would also be a good idea to try it on a non-conductive surface.

I wish you luck Odessy and await eagerly for your post of the results


If successfull I have no doubt you will be snapped up by the MIB



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 11:24 AM
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This video was posted a couple of times in the past two years on ATS, if you do a search your find the full threads.

It's still interesting everytime I see it.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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well this is not new form me ,..over 25 years ago I spoke with polish engineer who worked on theory that his invention of magnokraft (vehicle using magnetic power to fly) has 99% similarity to UFO .Very interesting subject,..
Dr Pajak tried to get attention of US and other western country to sponsor his work ,but he was ignored .
It was great work done by mr Pajak, so far very solid scientific bases but he couldn't proceed farther without financial support. Shame....all his hard work has been forgotten.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 12:28 PM
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lol I do live in the united states!

and I'm gonna get my dad to help me out since i live close by and hes a genius with electrical stuff...

so give me a week or so to grab the supplies and try it out.

I'll deff record it if it works out...

and I would Love to be snatched up by the MIB!

[edit on 3-2-2008 by Odessy]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Hate to say it but I saw the same thing demonstrated at a high school science lecture... fifty years ago. The lecturer even fried an egg on the coil to show how hot it got.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 12:57 PM
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Yes it does appear to be anti-grav, however it is not. It actually creates thrust by ionizing the air around it and drawing it to flow below it resulting in lift. This has been tested in a vacum and the object did not lift because it required air.



[edit on 3-2-2008 by InSanE1]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 01:15 PM
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Your site is interesting, however theoretical. I wonder if you've done similar anti-gravity experiments like this, a video perhaps could be shared with us..



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 01:21 PM
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Umm...you guys may want to get with Zorgon. he has been posting these video's and this information for the entire time that i have been a member here (it is part of what got me posting at ATS and lured me from the other forum i was frequenting).

Here is a link to his site, with lots of information:

www.thelivingmoon.com...

As well, i believe John Lear has stated his family and Bushman know each other. Perhaps he has further info to add?

As well, I have a thread covering a different take on the same phenomenon.

Good job bringing back to everyone's attention. You are having better response than Zorgon has gotten when posting this info. You may ask him or another Pegasus member if they ever actually performed this experiment, as we discussed it about 7 months ago.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 01:23 PM
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This is really cool stuff
I have actually played around with this coil design and others, like in the video. I have indeed reproduced to some extent what Boyd Bushman demonstrates in the video.

But I must admit it took me a few times before I got one to work. And once you use them . That's it! As soon as you apply power, the coil gets Extremely hot and may only last for a few seconds if your lucky.

As Mr Bushman states, "250 turns of #30 guage magnet/motor winding wire. The wire can be bought at any electrical wholesale supplier. Most likely your not going to be able to buy the wire at the local hardware store or Home Depot or Lowe's. If there is a electrical motor repair shop near bye you can probably get some from them, or go online and order it I suppose.

I stole a couple of my wife's tupperware containers, of different sizes ranging from 4in Dia. to 12 in Dia. And used them as templates for winding the coils. Once you have 250 + turns the coil needs taped together. Ordinary scoth tape or even electrical tape shouldn't be used. As soon as power is supplied to the coil the tape instantly will melt away into a smokey mess causing excess heat and inevitably producing a failed coil. I found this out the hard way
I'm sure there is an excellent substitute but I have found that high temp tape/cloth used for automotive work such as header/exhaust wrap and such works pretty well.

Once you have two seperate leads coming from the coil Use a sharp edge of a razor blade or knife and scratch the insulation off of the end of the "leads". If you have any old appliances, extension cords or old lamps laying around you can probably cut the cord off and use it for a supply line.
NOTE: Some cords may be a 3 wire and some may be a 2 wire. You only need 2 wires. In a three wire cord sometime the the wires are color coded such as black=hot white=nuetral/grounded green=ground. You want to use the black and white(or it maybe black with a white stripe). If it is a 2 wire cord then disregard this .

Next step is connecting the coil leads to the extension cord. Small wire nuts will work, but I personally prefer using insulated "alligator"clips that I have mounted on an insulated stand.

For safety concerns I plug the extension cord into a surge protector strip that has a swith to manually turn power on and off from a remote location, thus reducing the possibility off getting a shock from plugging it into an outlet.
NOTE: I would not recommend that this be done inside of your home because of the obvious danger of an overloaded circuit or fire. Not to mention the odor these things can cause when they burn up. Also a well insulated surface such as plastic or wood should be used to set the coil on before energizing. BE SURE. That all electrical connections are seperated and are well insulated from each other and all potential sources to ground.

IMPORTANT! What I have stated above is based on a "standard" outlet voltage of 120 volts operating at 60HZ. Standard in the U.S . European Voltages may vary but I believe the standard voltage is 230 volts +/- 10%
operating at 50HZ.

As I stated it took me quite a few tries before I got any results. I tried some with really loose windings and some I had really tight. Some I even experimented with the twist in the winding itself as well as the coil once assembled. I experimented with some different wire sizes as well such as 24guage and 32guage. # 30 does seem to be the best for handling the voltage/heat as well as the right size to "pack" electrons.

Some of the coils I made did levitate. Some would tilt to the one side for a few seconds before burning up, and I have had a couple completely levitate off the work bench for a second or two, but I have yet to produce a version that has a stable field as shown on the video.

DANGER!!! Working with electricity is dangerous. Electrocution or even death is possible. A 120 volt house circuit can kill you.

I am a licensed electrician and have worked in the electrical field for many years. Only with an understanding about working with electricity and it's danger should this be attempted. PLEASE don't do go and try this on your kitchen or dinning room table. Make sure YOU KNOW what you are doing.
Make sure you have a way of quickly disconnecting power within view of the coil and without having to pull out the extension cord by hand. Also it wouldn't hurt to have a fire extinguisher on hand in the event that something does get out of hand.




Originally posted by Beamish
Also, the coil in the video reminded me of "lifters", ion-wind generators:


I have also played around with Lifters for some years now as well. As I don't have any degree in electrical engineering I believe this is two different kinds of effect. The coil seems to cause it's own "field"(s) that produce lift. In the case of Lifters. Lift is achieved by causing capacitance between the diffrence in potential. Causing an Ionic Lift also known as an ionic breeze, which can be physicall heard and felt when a Lifter is operational.

The lifter is most commonly known from the Mythbuster's episode and as they showed us this isn't mag lev because it doesn't work in a vacume.

However I have read papers from individuals who claim, that is only the case with the voltages commonly used for our basic Lifter's such as 17,500 to 20,000 Volts. Some have stated with voltages exceeding a million Volts and more can cause actuall magnetic Levitation. I believe this could be a possibilty but is only conjecture being that no one has released a working prototype to the public. Lifters are really cool to play with..



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 01:29 PM
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There is technology, however, for true levitation (and other gravitational effect) that is being/has been developed.

I am not going to repost it all. I have discussed it in fair detail at the following link (and i am updating it as i continue my research):

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Further, if other members here should so choose, there is a whole new, radical concept that could likely completely rattle our current reality if we can actualize it. The problem is, sometimes things are so groundbreaking that you have to invent new technology just to measure the results of your experiments.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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Actually the coil is sitting on a bed of aluminum,in the second video on the second page he does the copper tube experiment,somehow there is a reaction to the component alloys in the aluminum plate and copper pipe.



[edit on 3-2-2008 by BlackViolet]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by merka

Originally posted by WarrenPiece
Someone showed this to me a while ago and I believe the coil is interacting with the metal table.

Indeed, that's my initial thought: its a big electromagnet reacting on the table. So technically that's not "levitation", its just magnets.


Looks to me like a classic ring launcher( store.pasco.com... ), in fact, if one tries to hold the ring down it will get hot really fast.

Anyone here who tries to build the apparatus based on that video will fail, because the video doesn't show that you need just a little bit more than 200 loops of wire and AC power(and for those who decide to try it, be safe, this can be a pretty dangerous experiment).

This is really pretty fascinating stuff, and it's only the tip of the iceberg. Anyone who finds this really interesting should consider taking University Physics II(most schools teach electromagnetism in that course), what they cover is way easier than physics I(so nothing to fear about it), but 2 times more impressive.

[edit on 3-2-2008 by daniel_g]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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Thank you highfreq for answering my question.

Regarding the wire, was this uninsulated as I would of thought if it were than the current would not travel through the coil but just take the path of least resisitance where it touched or perhaps this is unimportant.

So you can reproduce this on a non-metal base that is another question answered.

I am assuming you used copper wire, could you use steel wire for maybe a little more endurance.

I was thinking what about using a tungsten wire in a vacuum similar to a heavy duty light bulb although probably cost would be prohibitive.

Endurance does seems to be the linchpin because you could not even measure how much force is being exerted without a workable timeframe.

With endurance you could experiment with different voltages and frequencies given a variable AC power supply.

If the overheating could be solved the brick wall may then be insufficient lifting power to support a power supply and associated cooling endurance systems.

As you can see it has got me wondering it would be nice to be able to predict a no hope theory just so I can drop the idea or not



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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That video is over a decade old, and the mainstream scientific establishment is either ignoring any study of this kind of phenomena or is being suppressed, both of which are borderline criminal.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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Ahh...
Now we have something of substance.
**Notice, possible drunk post warning...


It's always nice to see someone willing to stick their fingers in the socket in the name of empirical science.


(Done that before... I'm much more careful nowadays.. wasn't my fault either, it was supposed to be a dead circuit)

From what the video displays we can see nothing more apparent than a simple example of self inductance within a conductive base body producing an opposing EMF.

Coil conducts > Coil Produces Field B> Field B induces EMF in Base conductive material since its AC not DC (Apparently in this case Aluminium though we cannot see if there is a large ferrite core underneath said base)> EMF in Base Produces field B- > Fields B and B- oppose> Profit!!

Were your examples, where you managed to reproduce the phenomena apparent in an environment where self inductance of an opposing conductor was impossible?

And...

When you managed to produce a positive outcome did you take readings of the necessary values?

Also...

Did your coil have any specific geometry to it? (I.e. How did you wind the damn thing, I'm continuously appalled at the number of people that think the shape of a toroidal coil is irrelevant)

And... Did you accidentally zap yourself! (Since that's always the funny bit)


P.s.

BigFatFurryTexan

Just took a brief glance over your post...

Damn.

You see, I remember that name, Dr Ning-Li.

Unfortunately I can't remember the exact context as It was a long time ago but i do remember it as being brought up by some of the guys at GEC Marconi who were playing around with combined active radar/ECM systems on typhoon.

Weird.

And just for everyone else, no... heat is not normally an unusual phemonena. Look at the average light bulb. Hold it when its on.

Ta-daa!
Heat.
Lots of it.

And thats at 100 Watt. 100 Watt at 110 Volt is 0.9 amp. The average AC mains out is 13 Amp... (assuming Max of course) which would give you (in the UK at 240V) 3.1 Kilowatt... which would sting a bit.
In the US just double the amperage since what you are seeing its watts in action.


[edit on 3-2-2008 by Absence of Self]



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