"Let Them Eat Cake!", page 2

reply to post by Enthralled Fan

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Laziness has a large part to do with people not eating properly, also. It's much easier to pick up junk food than to put the effort in to shopping and meal preperation.

Very good point !!

Convenience costs

reply to post by Golack

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That would be from "Portal", if memory serves.

Interesting and informative thread, jackinthebox. Starred and Flagged

 

Personally, I've always felt the food/meal tastes better when you've prepared it yourself.

 

reply to post by cbianchi513

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Good response !

I personally hate when people victimize themselves and state that these things are being forced on us. They state that there's this huge conspiracy to starve us to deaths with overeating (not possible) but refuse to understand that nobody puts anything in your mouth for you. You pick up the food and eat it. You decide what to eat and how much. Excuses, excuses, excuses

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by jackinthebox

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Sorry but you can't starve to death while over eating unless you have a huge tape worm

Not true. Actually, there are a lot of extremely obese people that also are malnourished. There is a show that airs on Discovery Health about the "super obese" that has doctors discuss it in more detail.

I didn't feel like looking too much, so the only website that I have to offer is bodybuilding.com, but here:
Obesity and malnutrition

edited to correct what my cat helped me type


[edit on 3-2-2008 by TheHypnoToad]

reply to post by TheHypnoToad

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Starving to death is different then becoming ill from malnutrition.

Individuals experiencing starvation lose substantial fat and muscle mass as the body breaks down these tissues for energy. Catabolysis is the process (medical condition) of a body breaking down muscles and other tissues in order to keep vital systems—such as the nervous system and heart muscle (myocardium) —working. Catabolysis will not begin until there are no usable sources of energy coming into the body.

It also doesn't help that in the past few decades the government has done nothing to aid local farmers and in most cases has made things harder for them causing farms to forclose all over the place. Not to mention that mainstream society has labeled farming as useless and uncool so that most youth growing up on farms these days have no interest in continuing the family business.

The problem is not the lack of infrastuture, but rather oh how modern society has been directly and indirectly destroying it over the past few decades.

There is plenty of good land available for farming and it is not too late to turn this around. Science has also made many advances in increasing the life of soil richness and farms can last many more years then they previously could.

Bottom line:

Let farmers operate with little or no taxes and restrictions and set up a fund to aid them.

Donate land to people wishing to operate farms like they did 100 years ago.

Encourage young people to take interest in farming and for those of you who think farming isn't glamorous and cool, well starving isn't either.

watch the milk rap video commercial and you can see that farmers can be hip as well.

reply to post by cbianchi513

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True to a point alot of people do place the blame elsewhere but there are more factors at play that could make this difficult.

Alot of kids parents are to blame for keeping them inside more and over feeding them. They enable this behavior and then when their kids approach them about being teased they don't do anything to try and help. They tell their kids it's because of medical problems or that it is normal to be overweight.

I know a woman whos 10 and 7 year old kids eat twice the amount of full grown adults. These kids are extremely fat and get harrassed at school because of it. They are handed endless amounts of video games and told they do not have to play outside. The mother is overweight as well and tells her kids that there is nothing wrong with it. The kids each drink a case of pop a day and go through a family pack of pizza pops every couple of days. If you tell this woman she is doing somehting wrong she gets mad. If you give her advice she tells you that you are wrong. Humiliating the kids will not help as it is the mother who enables the behavior.

The truth is many of these people are humiliated but it is cheaper and convenient to buy fast foods and foods that offer no nutritional value than to but the expensive organic and high nutritional value foods. Also i find that many people these days do not know how to cook good meals anymore. If you look at cooking apparatus too you will find that the price of decent cooking materials is going up. Thirty plus dollars for a good pan that will last you more than a couple of months and dont even mention the price of electric equipment. We just spent 50 dollars on a good toaster. Then you must take into account how the general public gets bombarded with fast food ads.

The fast food ads try and be heartfelt and try to associate a kind of sentimental value to your family. Take the commercials that show father and son bonding and going to micky dee's, or the couple who bring their kid for a late night ride through the drive through to get him to go to sleep in his car seat. Are you kidding me? Eating at night is by far the worst thing you can do, especially fast food.

Humiliation is not an option everyone can use. We can however try and educate people. I am slowly discontinuing the eating of fast food. I always efer to it as poison in large crowds and spread as much negativity about it as possible.

We have a problem up here in Canada with an establishment called Tim Hortons. Basically hundreds if not thousands of people go to a single establishment in one day and enjoy 2 -4 shots of 18% creamers in an 18 ounce coffee 2-4 times DAILY. Not to mention the selection of pastries and high fat breakfast options. They have in some places 4 time hortons establishments on major intersections so there is one at each corner, its insane. Just from switching to milk instead of cream and not eating their pastries and breakfasts i have already seen a weight loss of almost 10 lbs, and i am there on a daily basis myself. I found the withdrawls from the coffee to be worse than from cigarette crazvings before a quit smoking.

Finally yes there is fast food addiction. I kno people who everyday have massive wthdrawls and will feel almost flu like symptoms if they do not have their big mac or drink their tim hortons coffee. I have had these myself and they consist of migranes, loss of energy, irritability, a vomiting sensation, the list goes on. Your body literally becomes dependant on the fats as a souce of nutrition and craves it if you do not feed your body with it.

We need to raise awareness and stop frequenting these establishments. Also we need to stop supporting instant meals and frozen dinners. When i first seen ready crisp bacon i thought it was the height of lazyness, now most people i know buy it and its really sad. If you eat fast food find out which establishments have healthy things on their menus. Some grocery stores have little delis where you can buy some good lunches and suppers and alot of local ma and pa diners and restaurants still have nutritional items on their menus.

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by cbianchi513

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I personally hate when people victimize themselves and state that these things are being forced on us. They state that there's this huge conspiracy to starve us to deaths with overeating (not possible) but refuse to understand that nobody puts anything in your mouth for you. You pick up the food and eat it. You decide what to eat and how much. Excuses, excuses, excuses

First of all, it certainly is true that people's bodies can be starving even though they are eating plenty of food. Your body becomes starved of real nutrition and becomes obese from the chemicals that in the food.

Yes it's everyone's responsibility to select healthy foods but the food industry actually misleads the public about what's in their products. The label can say 'healthy' or 'natural' and the food is not healthy or natural at all. They hide msg in the food under other names like 'yeast extract', 'spices', etc. (there is a long list of names that are actually nothing more than hidden msg), which doesn't sound dangerous at all.

These chemicals actually 'cause' obesity and the food is providing no nutritional value at all. And any nutrition that MAY be there is destroyed in the microwave. There is SO much evidence now that proves food additives cause obesity so you can't assume that an obese person is just over-eating and being lazy.

Now you've got GMO food that isn't required to be labeled as such, and a new bill in the works that prevents consumers from knowing what's in the milk they drink. People don't know that when they buy packaged meats in the supermarket, that it contains sodium nitrate to make it look red and fresh when it's not fresh at all. Sodium nitrate causes pancreatic cancer.

People see the ads on tv for nutrasweet and splenda and push them with the claim that they have zero calories. But they don't tell you that the ingredients are biowarfare agents and cause neurological damage.

So people can read the labels and try to choose wisely and 'think' they're eating healthy when they're really not. When we have to start educating ourselves on the tricks of the trade to avoid being poisoned, that's when we become victims. Why is it that the FDA allows the food industry to do this? Because they profit from us being sick. It's all about money.

I will repeat my own story here. I suffered from anxiety and depression for 20 years and was on antidepressant medication for 7 years (that turned me into a zombie and almost ruined my career). Once I researched and found out that it was the hidden chemicals causing my depression, I changed my diet to all-organic, replaced all of my personal care products and household products to eco-friendly alternatives and was able to get off the meds. The only time my symptoms temporarily return is when I consume something that contains chemicals. The cause and effect really is that obvious.

Originally posted by annestacey

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by cbianchi513

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I personally hate when people victimize themselves and state that these things are being forced on us. They state that there's this huge conspiracy to starve us to deaths with overeating (not possible) but refuse to understand that nobody puts anything in your mouth for you. You pick up the food and eat it. You decide what to eat and how much. Excuses, excuses, excuses

First of all, it certainly is true that people's bodies can be starving even though they are eating plenty of food. Your body becomes starved of real nutrition and becomes obese from the chemicals that in the food.

I think you're confusing malnutrition with the lack of nutrition. Starvation comes from the lack of calories.

Yes it's everyone's responsibility to select healthy foods but the food industry actually misleads the public about what's in their products. The label can say 'healthy' or 'natural' and the food is not healthy or natural at all. They hide msg in the food under other names like 'yeast extract', 'spices', etc. (there is a long list of names that are actually nothing more than hidden msg), which doesn't sound dangerous at all.

Everyone can easily understand the basics of nutrition.
For example, most people know that high fat and cholesterol foods are bad.

These chemicals actually 'cause' obesity and the food is providing no nutritional value at all.

Excessive amounts of calories cause obesity. The inclusion of chemicals may worsen the problem but they are not the cause of it. If that were really true, we could simply grow organic food and eat 20,000 + calories per day and not gain weight.

And any nutrition that MAY be there is destroyed in the microwave.

Thats not true.

There is SO much evidence now that proves food additives cause obesity so you can't assume that an obese person is just over-eating and being lazy.

Food additives do not CAUSE obesity. You become obese when you eat too many calories or too many fat calories.

Now you've got GMO food that isn't required to be labeled as such, and a new bill in the works that prevents consumers from knowing what's in the milk they drink. People don't know that when they buy packaged meats in the supermarket, that it contains sodium nitrate to make it look red and fresh when it's not fresh at all. Sodium nitrate causes pancreatic cancer.

Labeling does need to be improved.



[edit on 3-2-2008 by jfj123]

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