"Let Them Eat Cake!"

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Very good point !!

Convenience costs

I dunno if anyone else said it, but..

This is why I take a really good multivitamin every day. To compensate for the lack of nutrition in the foods available to me.

So I end up just fine .. and I am quite thin for an American, im underweight. I'm 6'2'', but I only weigh 150lbs on my heaviest day. And some days I have a problem where I have trouble eating at all, so the vitamin becomes so important.

The cake is a lie.

Can anyone tell me what that quote is from

reply to post by Golack

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That would be from "Portal", if memory serves.

Interesting and informative thread, jackinthebox. Starred and Flagged

 

Personally, I've always felt the food/meal tastes better when you've prepared it yourself.

 

great thread! starred and flagged.

I gotta say, me and my wife are honestly considering growing 3 little small gardens in our backyard. We have to get permission from our landlord first though. I'm seriously tired with all the c**ap that our corporate a** kissing govt. has done and honestly I just think we should just get rid of the federal govt. altogether and just focus on our own communities.

Being FAT (not the more "pc" obese, mind you) is a CHOICE. That's right- people choose to be fat, or more accurately- choose not to be fit.
I know I'm going to catch a raft of something for this... Here goes.
It only takes a bit of discipline and prior planning to construct a healthy, low fat menu on your own. My wife and I usually do this as we are shopping for our groceries weekly. We stop at the butcher counter and talk about what we'll eat through the week, what sides, and so forth. Usually every bit of produce we buy is fresh as well. The only freezer items we may buy is a guilty pleasure: ice cream. We seldom eat fast food, and we seldom go "out" to eat. We don't like what the various venues have to offer.
The problem starts with parents and continues with kids. Americans are always "hurry hurry" about everything. I even had a high school teacher comment on it 15 years ago. He called us "the microwave generation". Now I can't totally detract from the values of the microwave, but I can tell you that (based on personal observation) a person's body fat index is directly proportionate to the amount of actual cooking that one does in the microwave.
Fat people are generally fat due to sloth and gluttony. Last time I checked, those two items were on the "deadly sins" list.
Have fun roasting in hell, fatties!

Seriously, all it really takes is a little time management, discipline, and motivation. The rest will fall into place with experience, and it's actually more frugal to cook for yourself.

reply to post by cbianchi513

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Good response !

I personally hate when people victimize themselves and state that these things are being forced on us. They state that there's this huge conspiracy to starve us to deaths with overeating (not possible) but refuse to understand that nobody puts anything in your mouth for you. You pick up the food and eat it. You decide what to eat and how much. Excuses, excuses, excuses

I'm quite surprised here, living in a country that is quite normal cook it's own food was a little bit weird to see most of North Americans rely on fast-foods instead of cooking.
I mean, I just can't see myself eating fast-food only, and everyday, mostly because I LOVE homemade meals and the traditional "Rice&Beans", and at the same time, it's sad your country reached this point, really.

My advice to all of you who want to start changing your habits, try cooking Brazilian's most famous meal, "Rice&Beans + Meat", could take a while to cook but if you live by yourself the portion can last 3~4 days with proper refrigeration and it's easy to warm it up. Sounds kinda lame, but I'm sure you'll change your mind when you smell it.

Not true. Actually, there are a lot of extremely obese people that also are malnourished. There is a show that airs on Discovery Health about the "super obese" that has doctors discuss it in more detail.

I didn't feel like looking too much, so the only website that I have to offer is bodybuilding.com, but here:
Obesity and malnutrition

edited to correct what my cat helped me type


[edit on 3-2-2008 by TheHypnoToad]

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Starving to death is different then becoming ill from malnutrition.

Individuals experiencing starvation lose substantial fat and muscle mass as the body breaks down these tissues for energy. Catabolysis is the process (medical condition) of a body breaking down muscles and other tissues in order to keep vital systems—such as the nervous system and heart muscle (myocardium) —working. Catabolysis will not begin until there are no usable sources of energy coming into the body.

It also doesn't help that in the past few decades the government has done nothing to aid local farmers and in most cases has made things harder for them causing farms to forclose all over the place. Not to mention that mainstream society has labeled farming as useless and uncool so that most youth growing up on farms these days have no interest in continuing the family business.

The problem is not the lack of infrastuture, but rather oh how modern society has been directly and indirectly destroying it over the past few decades.

There is plenty of good land available for farming and it is not too late to turn this around. Science has also made many advances in increasing the life of soil richness and farms can last many more years then they previously could.

Bottom line:

Let farmers operate with little or no taxes and restrictions and set up a fund to aid them.

Donate land to people wishing to operate farms like they did 100 years ago.

Encourage young people to take interest in farming and for those of you who think farming isn't glamorous and cool, well starving isn't either.

watch the milk rap video commercial and you can see that farmers can be hip as well.

YouTube Link

But i seriously agree with the post. I tend to battle with this problem from time to time. My job takes me on the road alot and i usually find myself biting into a big mac or a slice of pizza and i can fully agree with the hunger issue.

Lately i been taking alot of steps to avoid this and even going as far as to substitue the cream in my coffee for milk, pop for juice, and taking the alternative to fries at some fast food joints such as a chili or a salad and im noticing a huge difference.

Also i have to add to this discussion that i personally know many people who feed their children inhuman amounts of pop, instant foods and fast food which i also believe is a problem in its own right and it is starting these youth down this road really young in life. Ive seen toddlers with pop in their sippy cups and some kids who eat as much as 4 pizza pockets in one sitting. Is this mentality part of the whole fast food brainwashing? Or something entirely different? Why would anyone in their right mind feed their kids that much. I hear kids crying like the devil that they are hungry and i can understand why but if what you are saying is correct something needs to be done about this.

I am trying to reduce the amount of frozen dinners and instant or microwavable foods in my house and i am starting to support local growers and i am achieving great results.

Also if any of you can, try growing tomatoes and peas and carrots in your backyard, they make for a great snack.

I hate to keep bringing up "war stories", but something else just came to mind...
When I was at Parris Island in '93, and again in '96-'98, recruits whose body fat exceeded the tolerances set forth by the Marine Corps were designated "fatbodies", and relegated to eating "diet trays". Please keep in mind that these young men could be considered in no way "obese" by society's standarts... Just USMC standards.
Their PT gear all had 2 vertical stripes on them, very visible.
A great show was made at chow time to call the "diet trays to the front", and other similar actions.
I know- try getting a version of this into the civilian world, but I can tell you this: The Marines got results (they always do). Those fatbodies lost the fat quickly, probably in no small part due to the humiliation factor.
Humility goes a long way. Maybe the solution is to make fatties feel bad about being fat- not telling them that society is to blame, and that it's ok to have that second Big Mac...

I have reached that ripe old age where the doc wants me to get a colonoscopy, which is happening this Tuesday, and the instructions for the day before demand that I use no Red dye at all. I started to look at labels out of curiosity as to how many contain red dye and other dyes and it is about 100%..almost. So many products are colored with chemical dyes that contain?what? Who knows, but it cannot be good, you know that.

The food in America is horrible: Unless a person really works at it, you cannot eat healthy anymore. Fast food is beyond discussion, it is so awful, tasteless and cardboardy at best. Not real food. Restaurants serve the same crap we get from markets so thats no better. Health food stores are so expensive that they are beyond the budget of most people, so they eat junk. But this fuels a vast health care industry, along with prisons the hospitals are the biggest growth industries now!!

Lock 'em up for drug crimes, if the obey the rules and only use the Big Pharma drugs so their pals and pay off sources get a bite, then ake them so ill thru lack of nutrition and health care in their youth that they need expensive treatments, which make even more professionals rich.

Remember when a doctor could do anything? Set a broken bone, stitch a cut, deliver a baby, operate on a gall bladder, etc. Now there is a specialist for every category imaginable. There are four or five different kinds of dentists alone, with sub branches developing all the time. Only certain ones will pull a tooth, others will never do a root canal, although it is as simple as drilling a hole and using a few instruments briefly. tghe there are those that only do implants. Talk about an opportunity for the black ops boys to get people implanted: What could be better than' fixed' dental implants?Hmm, maybe a new thread!!

Anyway, maybe an old fashioed cake would be more nutricious than most of the garbage that passes for food today. I splurge once a month and get myself a filet mingnon, also called tenderloin, steak to enjoy. The cost now is around 16 dollars a pound..and that is sick. I recall it being 3.99 a pound long ago, and there are more cows being killed and cosumed than ever before, and yet the price is out of sight. 20 bucks gets me two small steaks for two meals and I enjoy it, but it makes it hard to justify when gas is also 3.50 a gallon and I have kids to feed as well...the crunch is on!!

Make sure you're getting good quality vitamin supplements. Most commercial supplements you get at the supermarket or corner drugstore is junk.

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True to a point alot of people do place the blame elsewhere but there are more factors at play that could make this difficult.

Alot of kids parents are to blame for keeping them inside more and over feeding them. They enable this behavior and then when their kids approach them about being teased they don't do anything to try and help. They tell their kids it's because of medical problems or that it is normal to be overweight.

I know a woman whos 10 and 7 year old kids eat twice the amount of full grown adults. These kids are extremely fat and get harrassed at school because of it. They are handed endless amounts of video games and told they do not have to play outside. The mother is overweight as well and tells her kids that there is nothing wrong with it. The kids each drink a case of pop a day and go through a family pack of pizza pops every couple of days. If you tell this woman she is doing somehting wrong she gets mad. If you give her advice she tells you that you are wrong. Humiliating the kids will not help as it is the mother who enables the behavior.

The truth is many of these people are humiliated but it is cheaper and convenient to buy fast foods and foods that offer no nutritional value than to but the expensive organic and high nutritional value foods. Also i find that many people these days do not know how to cook good meals anymore. If you look at cooking apparatus too you will find that the price of decent cooking materials is going up. Thirty plus dollars for a good pan that will last you more than a couple of months and dont even mention the price of electric equipment. We just spent 50 dollars on a good toaster. Then you must take into account how the general public gets bombarded with fast food ads.

The fast food ads try and be heartfelt and try to associate a kind of sentimental value to your family. Take the commercials that show father and son bonding and going to micky dee's, or the couple who bring their kid for a late night ride through the drive through to get him to go to sleep in his car seat. Are you kidding me? Eating at night is by far the worst thing you can do, especially fast food.

Humiliation is not an option everyone can use. We can however try and educate people. I am slowly discontinuing the eating of fast food. I always efer to it as poison in large crowds and spread as much negativity about it as possible.

We have a problem up here in Canada with an establishment called Tim Hortons. Basically hundreds if not thousands of people go to a single establishment in one day and enjoy 2 -4 shots of 18% creamers in an 18 ounce coffee 2-4 times DAILY. Not to mention the selection of pastries and high fat breakfast options. They have in some places 4 time hortons establishments on major intersections so there is one at each corner, its insane. Just from switching to milk instead of cream and not eating their pastries and breakfasts i have already seen a weight loss of almost 10 lbs, and i am there on a daily basis myself. I found the withdrawls from the coffee to be worse than from cigarette crazvings before a quit smoking.

Finally yes there is fast food addiction. I kno people who everyday have massive wthdrawls and will feel almost flu like symptoms if they do not have their big mac or drink their tim hortons coffee. I have had these myself and they consist of migranes, loss of energy, irritability, a vomiting sensation, the list goes on. Your body literally becomes dependant on the fats as a souce of nutrition and craves it if you do not feed your body with it.

We need to raise awareness and stop frequenting these establishments. Also we need to stop supporting instant meals and frozen dinners. When i first seen ready crisp bacon i thought it was the height of lazyness, now most people i know buy it and its really sad. If you eat fast food find out which establishments have healthy things on their menus. Some grocery stores have little delis where you can buy some good lunches and suppers and alot of local ma and pa diners and restaurants still have nutritional items on their menus.

It all boils down to choice

The choices we make and the choices we have.

It takes a conscious decision to not eat the hamburger and fries from McD's

But what if that individual was brought up in a family as so many are now days that drinks soda and eats microwave pizza for dinner. What nutritional values are we giving our children?

Since I drive all over town every day supervising work crews, I eat out all the time. What choices do I have for a good meal? Slim to none. Every corner has some sort of fast food joint and the gas stations? Well, yesterday I walked into the most popular ones here in AZ, the Circle K and the only healthy things I found in the store was a bottle of Smart Water and an apple. EVERYTHING else was pure junk.

So where do i eat during the day? Simple: The Hospital.

Thats right, the Hospitals are where I eat... I know I can get whole food veggies fruits and something other than soda to eat for the same price of a number 4 super sized at McD's

Next time you are at the supermarket... look for the fat family. They wont be hard to miss....now take a look inside their cart. How much is finger food...how much is soda..how much is microwaveable.

We are committing suicide by malnutrition as a nation.

First of all, it certainly is true that people's bodies can be starving even though they are eating plenty of food. Your body becomes starved of real nutrition and becomes obese from the chemicals that in the food.

Yes it's everyone's responsibility to select healthy foods but the food industry actually misleads the public about what's in their products. The label can say 'healthy' or 'natural' and the food is not healthy or natural at all. They hide msg in the food under other names like 'yeast extract', 'spices', etc. (there is a long list of names that are actually nothing more than hidden msg), which doesn't sound dangerous at all.

These chemicals actually 'cause' obesity and the food is providing no nutritional value at all. And any nutrition that MAY be there is destroyed in the microwave. There is SO much evidence now that proves food additives cause obesity so you can't assume that an obese person is just over-eating and being lazy.

Now you've got GMO food that isn't required to be labeled as such, and a new bill in the works that prevents consumers from knowing what's in the milk they drink. People don't know that when they buy packaged meats in the supermarket, that it contains sodium nitrate to make it look red and fresh when it's not fresh at all. Sodium nitrate causes pancreatic cancer.

People see the ads on tv for nutrasweet and splenda and push them with the claim that they have zero calories. But they don't tell you that the ingredients are biowarfare agents and cause neurological damage.

So people can read the labels and try to choose wisely and 'think' they're eating healthy when they're really not. When we have to start educating ourselves on the tricks of the trade to avoid being poisoned, that's when we become victims. Why is it that the FDA allows the food industry to do this? Because they profit from us being sick. It's all about money.

I will repeat my own story here. I suffered from anxiety and depression for 20 years and was on antidepressant medication for 7 years (that turned me into a zombie and almost ruined my career). Once I researched and found out that it was the hidden chemicals causing my depression, I changed my diet to all-organic, replaced all of my personal care products and household products to eco-friendly alternatives and was able to get off the meds. The only time my symptoms temporarily return is when I consume something that contains chemicals. The cause and effect really is that obvious.

I think you're confusing malnutrition with the lack of nutrition. Starvation comes from the lack of calories.


Everyone can easily understand the basics of nutrition.
For example, most people know that high fat and cholesterol foods are bad.


Excessive amounts of calories cause obesity. The inclusion of chemicals may worsen the problem but they are not the cause of it. If that were really true, we could simply grow organic food and eat 20,000 + calories per day and not gain weight.


Thats not true.


Food additives do not CAUSE obesity. You become obese when you eat too many calories or too many fat calories.


Labeling does need to be improved.



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Exhausted adrenal glands. You eat more because you're tired. Your tired because your adrenals are warn out from the american lifestyle and stress. There's a solution but it requires removing all table salt from your diet and replacing it with organic sea salt or organic crystal salt. In fact, just popping an entire pea-sized chunk of it in your mouth and letting it melt, once every few days should do the trick (that is, unless you're on a salt-restricted diet).