Uhm, this is just an underground coal fire. Nothing more.

all caps are a big no no.


and why did you spam two seperate sections of the forum with this exact same post?

once was one time too many imo, we dont need duplicates.

I think that on a national level illegal immigration is far more destructive.

Well guys,

I wrote the article you're referring to, and as stated in my article, we stand ready to document that just any part of it that you or anyone else cares to question is both accurate and true.

So, why not give us some details as to why you claim the article is not accurate, or in "some" way not true ??

We wait patiently for you to do so.

So we can document just how wrong you are in your assumptions.

Vince Diehl

Well Jimbo,

Why not tell the forum at least "something" about the article that, in your opinion, is not accurate and/or true, instead of expecting people to just take your blanket word that there is nothing concrete about it ??

We will respond, I promise.

Vince Diehl

Originally posted by BANDS
Well Jimbo,

Why not tell the forum at least "something" about the article that, in your opinion, is not accurate and/or true, instead of expecting people to just take your blanket word that there is nothing concrete about it ??

We will respond, I promise.

From your website:
'IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE U.S GOVERNMENT HAS HAD ITS MILITARY, ITS BEST EXPERTS, SCIENTISTS FROM AMERICA'S BEST UNIVERSITIES, AS WELL AS EXPERTS FROM THE CHEVRON OIL COMPANY, EXAMINE WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ, AND NOT ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN ABLE TO DISPROVE ANY PART OF IT !!

THEY KNOW IT'S TRUE, BUT THERE'S NO SOLUTION, SO THEY DON'T DARE TELL YOU !!'

Right. The US Government, Military, America's' 'best scientists' don't dare tell you!!'

But apparently, they told you

Plus any website with 'Prophesy', 'End of the World', 'The Beast', etc etc festooned all over the page is highly suspect from the very first viewing.

There has been an endless barrage of crazy right-wing christian threads on this board over the last few months - all of them completely devoid of any credibilty whatsoever. Why would you expect us to believe yours is any different?

J.


Vince Diehl

Well I did read your entire article. And if true about the gas reserves, then no doubt we are sitting on a bomb that will consume us. If even a portion of it is true, actually, and there are natural underground barriers to help stop the spread of such an explosion- which you seem to claim there aren't- the resulting chaos of even a partial explosion on a large scale would be unimaginable.

But here's where I feel you could improve that article.

1) Lose the tie to Biblical prophecy, for in that, you risk losing the minds that have nothing to do with it.

2) Keep the references scientific, and for instance provide some evidence that all of these experts you claim have indeed been made aware of the problem, and indeed have no solution to it.

3) Bush may have bought that property as a retirement or vacation property, with no other meaning attached. Sure, there are suspicions in everything he does at this point. But that doesn't mean squat, and such speculation is undermining the credibility of the article.

4) The substance of that one gas issue is enough, if it was more thoroughly presented with the opinions of these experts presented. The issue has merit, in theory. Why attach all this other unnecessary stuff to it?

Originally posted by Ross Cross
I think that on a national level illegal immigration is far more destructive.

AMEN!!!



Digitalgrl

Hello TrueAmerican,

Thank you for your candid and constructive opinion.

You wrote:
1) Lose the tie to Biblical prophecy, for in that, you risk losing the minds that have nothing to do with it.

(I have accurately prophesied over 160 events in writing, most of it eighteen years in advance, to include our wars with Iraq and how they will end, and to include the gas reserve problem. I see no reason for my prophecy to fail now, nor do i see any reason to hide it. Nor do I believe that the fact that I prophesied it should alter the very simple easy to understand science behind what has now come to be reality. The problem obviously exists. Nothing could be fabricated.)

2) Keep the references scientific, and for instance provide some evidence that all of these experts you claim have indeed been made aware of the problem, and indeed have no solution to it.

(We have correspondence from engineers at the Union Oil Company and from the Chevron Oil Company who tell us its about time "someone" address the problem, but they do not want "their" names involved for obvious reasons.)

3) Bush may have bought that property as a retirement or vacation property, with no other meaning attached. Sure, there are suspicions in everything he does at this point. But that doesn't mean squat, and such speculation is undermining the credibility of the article.

(Good point. we have now deleted that paragraph.)

Thanks again for your constructive criticism.

Vince Diehl (BANDS)

[edit on 3-2-2008 by BANDS]

Ok guys, lets stay on topic here, and resist the urge to get into a heated exchange with other members. We're all in the process of learning here. This is an interesting topic, and one that I find has room to grow.

I remember when I first heard about this; it was about 15 years ago. To think that it's been burning for over 20 years, I was scared. I even thought that there could be one burning beneath my own feet, and I'd never know it. Kind of creepy when you think about it. But, as has been mentioned before, this is a natural thing. It will just burn itself out, and that'll be the end of it.

TheBorg
Forum Moderator

Originally posted by AnabelleA
What did you make of the map shown on their page which states it indicates that the continent lies on interconnected gas reserves?

Well the map in the link from the OP shows substantial portions of the US sitting on top of what appears to be a ticking time bomb, if the rest of his article is true. That is why I would suggest scanning those letters from the gas companies, marking out any information he doesn't want known, and letting us see the content.

The logic he uses in my mind so far is pretty solid, but then again, there are experts that are going to know the key pieces of information that will settle this once and for all. In fact if I remember correctly, our member Valhall is pretty good with things like this. But this is so potentially threatening I think we're going to need more than that in this case. We need a consensus of opinion among many experts.

His article keeps stressing that certain portions of these non-pressurized gas/oxygen pockets are only covered by 50 feet of ground. So that raises issues:

1) Is this rock, dirt, what?
2) Is this weak enough to not be able to contain such an explosion? That is implied, but not really stated. More information is needed.
3) And so what about the chambers that are covered by say 300 ft of solid rock? Will they explode too up into the atmosphere? The point is, how much of this is really dangerous, and what is the "safe" level of depth? Or is there a safe level at all?

Other issues:
1) Is the resulting gas/oxygen mix that forms in these pockets, and in some cases, extremely large caverns, as flammable as the article says? He makes the point that because it is not pressurized, that anything igniting it may light up the whole thing, which then can travel via even the tiniest cracks to ignite chambers in its vicinity- chain reaction style.

But then that of course raises the issue of just how interconnected all these vast chambers are connected underground, and whether natural barriers exist that would limit the chain reaction effect, and then to what degree.

2) One point that the article makes is about the vast quantities of water that are being used to fill the voids once gas extraction has occurred. Is there any other substance or liquid that could be used to cause a canceling of or lessen the flammability of the resulting mixture? Or is there a way to include a "plugging" solution in the liquid such that it doesn't seep into very deep crevices on the bottom of the voids? (sort of like stop leak in a car)

3) On that same subject, I wasn't so clear that the resulting gas/oxygen mixture would necessarily seek to move laterally. Because if it did, it would seem to me that it would therefore be under some kind of pressure to do so. And if there is pressure, then wouldn't that help to contain the threat of explosion, as his own article demonstrates?

The other thing on that is somehow I find it hard to believe that gas companies would be leaving behind such a deadly threat, seeing as they likely hire professionals with vast knowledge of rock formations, drilling, extraction, likely sites, area impact studies, etc, etc. It seems to me someone somewhere working at that level would realize what they are doing. Especially when, as the article points out, they are returning to these areas years later to extract more gas.

And also, could this have anything to do with the droughts the west is experiencing?

So I think the article makes some assumptions that need to be studied further before any conclusions can be reached.

To those posters saying that this is about burning coal, that is really not the main concern here, and is a mere tangent.

I will say that in essence, it sounds plausible on paper. But there are just to many variables to be making the kind of conclusions the article draws, and then incorporates into prophecy, which in my opinion, should have nothing to do with the scientific portion of this issue.

As to your map in the link you provide, I would like to know if the heat that appears across most of the US is in any way connected to the gas reserves he talks about. It appears not to be connected, because the red zones in the two maps are pretty different.

So that's my take. May not be much, but at least there are some things to think about.

wow!!!!

not buying it but,

wow!!!!

im sure that has some truth to it... but who cares? i mean, if that happens we die... plain and simple... i think we have bigger things to worry about right now... and im sure of that was gonna blow and the country was gonna catch on fire... someone would have let the cat out of the bag by now and this would be common knowledge to some degree... we have no control over that.. we should focus on what we do have control of...

does anyone ever notice that there are never any positive predictions???




[edit on 5-2-2008 by gabriel5578]