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A pair of Apaches murdering a couple of innocent civilians?

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posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by kangjia57
[One thing is clear US can never fight a guerrilla warfare. And it’s been proven time and time again.


This is a very interesting statement and very correct, but the simple fact is …
Well we could…

How could we one might ask, and all we would need to do is actually act like how Kangjia57 and other likeminded people accuse us being already.

First thing we would do is create three separate countries that are split up with the northern Kurds as one country and the Central as another and finally the South as the third. This is the way it should have been anyways before the ignorant Brits and French got involved, and so this would end all the bitter secular fighting. Now the Central country would hate it since they would have no oil, but they would quickly end up being goat herders once again with no oil or money supporting their cause.

Then we would put 500k soldiers on the ground and have martial law in every city while also creating no-man’s land anywhere we like. Under martial all would be killed who broke it, man woman or child. Anyone who is found in the no-man’s lands would also be killed on sight.

We would then take over total control of all oil fields and put our own people in the government. Not some puppet government but our OWN people for we do not need some silly CIA plot or halfway controllable local group, we could just be the government. If there was any uprising we would instill fear much like how Saddam would have and just wipe whole villages off the map anytime a group got a wild hair to try something. When the people are good we feed them and when they are not we don’t feed them…very simple.

This is our capabilities, but it is not what we would ever be willing to do, and so we are stuck with your truism statement above, and a endless struggle to get the Iraqies on their own two feet.






[edit on 2-2-2008 by Xtrozero]




posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 09:01 PM
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reply to post by deltaboy
 


What can be seen is a bunch of terrorists with weapons and towards the end they are shooting.

Not innocent at all. nice try NOT!



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 09:21 PM
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Wow, that was cool to watch.

Terrorists got their asses whooped.

Pwned.

Btw, this crosshair setup in the vid looks same as in Battlefield 2 for sure, too.



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by noangels
On a lessor note this is the 2nd apache clip i have seen where the pilots couldnt hit a barn door from zero meters.Everyone must have seen the Tractor one where some one skips across a field and the apache fires and misses the target-you cant even see where the bullets go!just hear them.Then the marksman is heard to engage auto range.

Is this realy an Apache?It doenst seem to do damage like an apache does when it opens up its guns to sing


Notice the delay from the sound of the gun firing till the impact of the rounds. The gunship is not very close, the zoom on the video just gives the impression they are hovering right above the truck. In fact they are quite distant. You try shooting dead on from that distance and in a moving helicopter and then show me how easy it is. It's not.



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 09:40 PM
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Imagine your country being invaded by a bunch of guys that used language like "Smoke em" and they had all kinds of really cool weapons that were pointed at you telling you how to live, then sometimes accidently murdering your innocent family members and friends, oops, so sorry.

If an invading super power over ran my neighborhood, I am pretty sure I would be hauling what ever weapons I could find in the back of my pick up.



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Grimholt
reply to post by kangjia57
 


Not sure what the point is of you posting that?

Nor whats so funny about people losing their lives.

I don't understand some people.



Well, the message behind it was that this kind of crap cuts both ways, so before people want to make a joke of it and treat it like a game, they should see the reality that whether Iraqi RESISTANCE is being killed or US Soldiers are being killed, it's a tragedy, a waste, and definitely no joke.

It's really shameful to see that people think stuff like this is cool, or funny.
The same people had better hope that one day they don't end up in the same predicament.



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 10:59 PM
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"That's our weapons, that's our guys".

That basically says it all. These Apaches were on an S&D Mission, with the objective of eliminating a group of insurgents who just launched an attack against Coalition Forces.

His 99.99% Positive Weapons ID turned out to be 100% correct did it not?

Good job boys, keep up the Good Fight over there.



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by EndOfFile
reply to post by deltaboy
 


What can be seen is a bunch of terrorists with weapons and towards the end they are shooting.

Not innocent at all. nice try NOT!


Terrorists?

Hard to say? how did you come to that conclusion?

From what I can see, they are either soldiers or people transferring weapons to another location, I don't see any evidence of terrorists? I'm not saying they are not, but I don't see how you came to that conclusion.



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
Imagine your country being invaded by a bunch of guys that used language like "Smoke em" and they had all kinds of really cool weapons that were pointed at you telling you how to live, then sometimes accidently murdering your innocent family members and friends, oops, so sorry.

If an invading super power over ran my neighborhood, I am pretty sure I would be hauling what ever weapons I could find in the back of my pick up.

That could possibly be who those poeple are, who knows.

I don't know why people are assuming these people are terrorists. Looks more like soldiers, or something else. May be terrorists, but I dont see why people say that like they know it.



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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The truth of mankind has revealed itself in this thread. Some of you are sick individuals. I do not care if you are Muslim or American, getting enjoyment out of watching other people's deaths is the lowest a human being can go. I put child porn watchers, beastiality vids, and rapists above some of the earlier posters.

If there is any justice in this world, a video of you people's violent deaths will be posted on YouTube for your sicko peers to view.



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 11:31 PM
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Wow, i cant believe people are angry at this video, not just the video, but because we are actually watching and cheering on the killing of insurgents...

Some people might have to wonder a bit further than ATS. Have a look on YouTube for example. Go to the search box and type in any of the following:

Terrorist
Iraq
C130 Gunship
Apache
IED
Suicide Bomber
USMC
ADF

Theres hundreds of videos, showing the exact same thing we just saw in the video in this thread.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 12:19 AM
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You watching these videos and cheering is like the average idiot that watches Manny Ramirez miss a ground ball and calls him a scrub. You have no basis.

Of course there are hundreds of them on YouTube. Some view them for entertainment because they are sick, and some view them out of curiosity or educational purposes.

I don't mind the videos, I mind the stupid comments that go along with it. Example:

"haha those iraqis got owned"

or

"i bet those americans were eating sandwhiches when they got blown to ashes"

Great commentary guys. Regular geniuses. Hey, just make sure when it's your family member or friend who's on video dieing to post it. That way, we call all say "owned" or "he got what he deserved!"

[edit on 3-2-2008 by Sublime620]

[edit on 3-2-2008 by Sublime620]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 12:24 AM
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Is it wrong I came in this thread expecting to see some indians whacking some people?


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[edit on 3-2-2008 by GAOTU789]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 12:34 AM
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I'm going to be blunt here....There is just way too much testosterone in this thread and in the rest of the world for that matter. I mean no offense to the great guys that know how to reel it in.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by TheoOne
Wow, that was cool to watch.

Terrorists got their asses whooped.

Pwned.

Btw, this crosshair setup in the vid looks same as in Battlefield 2 for sure, too.

Is that a serious post, your acting like this is a video game?


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[edit on 3-2-2008 by GAOTU789]



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by West Coast
The terrorists rules of engagement is of one that values nobody's life, not the innocent children they hurt by either killing them, or, there father, mother, and siblingsThey simply do not care, they are brainwashed, illiterate monkeys.


Your whole answer perfectly demonstrates you character, but that quote is absolutely awesome. You now have debunked me so completely that I have nothing more to say for you. If you want to think I'm agreeing with you, please think so but allow me to disagree. Anyway, I wish best for you: Good morning when you wake up. Happy birthday when you grow up.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 07:57 AM
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Hilarious, the vast majority of europeans objected to the invasion of Iraq, the vast majority of europeans object to the occupation of Iraq and the clear oppression of it's peoples, the majority of americans are NOW against the occupation of Iraq.
You say your country doesn't oppress, well what do you call the thousands of road blocks across the country controlling the movement of Iraqi citizens : oppression, what do you call the total manipulation of electable government candidates (here are the candidates we have chosen for you, now go and vote people) so that they are pro american influence, oppression, what do you call the total control of media within Iraq, oppression.
What do you call pointing weapons at Iraqi citizens in their own country !! stripping them and arresting and beating them emm sorry buddy that is OPPRESSION what do you call it, support or what. Face it America is the invader and the oppressor this time around, have the strength of character to admit it, it's obvious.
When Hitler was marauding his way around europe he had plenty of supporters who were quick to say he was some kind of liberator. In hindsight you and I know better.

Call a spade a spade man.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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Since when is it OK to post Terrorist propaganda on ATS? This is getting outrageous. If this is what the higher ups are going to let ATS turn into then I will have to not be a part of it.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
Since when is it OK to post Terrorist propaganda on ATS? This is getting outrageous. If this is what the higher ups are going to let ATS turn into then I will have to not be a part of it.


As I said in an earlier post, there are two sides to this "War on Terror", and this is an international board.

I'll let you pick your choice of answer from the following two options.

1. What you consider to be "aggressor propaganda" in Delta Boys post may well be offensive to you, but this is a war, and these things happen. I'm sorry for the loss of lives that your nation/group has incurred. I wish it could be different.

2. What you consider to be "terrorist propaganda" in Kangjia's post may well be offensive to you, but this is a war, and these things happen. I'm sorry for the loss of lives that your nation/group has incurred. I wish it could be different.

Now personally, if it were down to me - and it isn't by the way - I'd have the whole thread canned because, from my own personal perspective its a territorial peeing contest and adds nothing to ATS as a whole.

But its not down to me. It does boil down to the ATS T&C's, and - to be honest with you - I have canvassed a number of staff opinions on the thread and the videos and we have agreed that neither of them breaches the very fine line that takes them over the thresholds set.

That having been said, the two videos are more than enough to make their points, and any others of a similar vein here will get canned.



posted on Feb, 3 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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First the OP was ignorant in stating that they the Terrorist were innocent Civilians wearing hoods and hiding weapons. It was not like the OP was showing off the video to praise the killing of terrorist witch all of us here that are US or British patriots don't do on ATS. Then the wanna be terrorist post a genuine terrorist propaganda video and you say that he didn't break any rules. Well I think that most of us here on ATS would dis-agree. Its not like us Americans go posting videos of terrorist getting cut in half by 50 caliber sniper rifle all the time, Why? Because their is no glory in watching another human beings body parts go flying through the air. Our troops do not take glory in it either, Its a job. Kill or be killed while protecting Iraqis.




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