It is not how well we live, but how well we die., page 1
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Topic started on 15-12-2002 @ 04:37 AM by FreeMason
I'm posting this to see what you all think about my saying. I think if my saying was truly believed by all, that we'd have a by far better world, less sullied by greed and passion. The saying I shall repeat:

"It is not how well we live, but how well we die."

To me that means that what we do in life is not as important as how well we will be rememberd through our death. To me it is more a soldier's phrase, or such. But I have just today, came up with a more everbody-type application, that TRULY gets the message across.

"Let us not forget we all must answer death, it is not how we live but how we die. It would be best if we never died at all, living in the hearts of those we saved."

That was referring to that "Can't US be the beast?" post...but I feel that has really strong implications. I feel that if people would heed that phrase, that we'd all be much better people.

To me it means roughly the same thing, our lives are worthless when we are dead, so we might as well not live for ourselves, but live for others.

So I'm wondering what you all think about those sayings//ways of thought, and what kinds of impacts it would have on societies and such.

Hmm I guess I'm split between if this should be in the "discussions forum" (is there such a forum?) or this one, but it fits religion//spiritualism, so I'll stick it here.

Also, to our more religious posters, I'd be interested on hearing your thoughts if any, on any references these phrases would have in the bible or koran or what not. Like quotes and such where this idea is shown in the bible, or any other religious beliefs of anyone here.

Sincerely,
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reply posted on 16-12-2002 @ 04:35 AM by Savonarola
In response to the original post:

As a Christian, I take to heart the words that God is "the God of the living, and not of the dead". There are many warnings about doing good "to be seen of men" - charity in the sight of men, for the praise of men, begets vanity.

Instead, "pray in the closet" and "give in secret" and the "father will reward you openly".

To give charity and mercy in secrecy does not mean not to do good deeds in the view of others. Instead, it means to do it for the glory of God, and not for men. You are showing your mettle to God. Only you and God (and maybe the bum you gave twenty dollars to) know your goodness.

I vounteered and worked for a charitable organization once and can tell you that those at the top, of most charities, use the charity to appear benevolent to their friends, collegues, and business associates. They throw charity balls, not to make money for charity, but to make contacts and to further their business agenda. The charity gets $15,000.00 and they, through the deals they make, walk out with millions. They do this in the sight of men, for the honor of men.

As much as I bash it, the one thing I like about freemasonry is that it has set a good precident by not boasting about how much it gives to charity. It has used it in various spins, and defenders of the craft are quick on the draw to mention their charity in their defence... but, for the most part, they do it in secrecy - which is a Christian ideal.

I disagree with your statement because there are several instances where good people do great things and are not remembered in the hearts of anyone. Just like there are terrible people that do terrible things but are remembered as kind, honest, giving people.

If President Bush died tomorrow, the vast majority of americans would remember him as valient, brave, and a lot of other qualities which he isn't. On the other hand, Afghanis, Iraqis, North Koreans, etc, would throw parties because the 'dajjal', antichrist, leader of "the Great Satan", which he also isn't, is dead. But who's remembrance is more valid? How is the way he died more important than the way he lived? His demeanor and character becomes arbitrary and subjected to the preconceptions of the individual while, at the same time, it is buffetted by the judgement of the media for pro or for con.

In any event, he is dead. He may have hurt people while looking good, or helping people while looking bad. But in the end each has to meet his Maker, and His judgement of our performance here is the only one that counts.

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