Anti-gravity and the search for Dr. Ning-Li, page 5
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reply posted on 17-2-2008 @ 02:04 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
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Well...i have not invested financially in a search for her (I could use Intelius or something), but if there is a chance to actually get an audience with her I would happily do it.

I may answer back in a few days with the results....gotta check the credit card balance after purchasing two new Prince O3 tennis racquets for my boys.

Lifestudent....i will review your information. Thanks for chiming in. Any ideas on the whereabouts of Dr. Li, by any chance?


reply posted on 23-3-2008 @ 11:39 AM by bigfatfurrytexan
Very interesting information.

I had gone too far down another rabbit hole and forgot to go back and look up Torr's skirt (if you will pardon the metaphor).

There are some interesting bits of info out there when you "google" his name.

For example, this website:

www.theyalltoldthetruth.com...

discusses some interesting "facts". If there are people who are more familiar with Maxwell's equations than me (not a hard feat, actually), perhaps they can chime in with input on the following:


After looking at the writeups about the NASA experiment and the Podkletnov experiment, I could see that both of the experiments were severely BLUNDERED! Yes, you heard that right. I'm sure both parties will be rather embarassed when you tell them the following, and see what their reaction is. Using the "Maxwellized" equations of gravity, and knowing the fact that the vortical motion (or spin vector) of the lattice ions in the disk must be aligned in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the disk, then the field lines of the "gravitomagnetic field" must be perpendicular to the plane of the disk also. This "gravitomagnetic field" would change with time, due to either the RF electric and magnetic fields applied, or to the spinning of the disk, or both. Indeed, in order to either create ordinary gravity or shield ordinary gravity, you must have a changing "gravitomagnetic field" in order to create that ordinary gravity field (per the "Maxwellized Equations"). Fact is, according to the "Maxwellized Equations", that the ordinary gravity field created by a changing (in strength), but always vertically oriented, gravitomagnetic field, would have to be HORIZONTAL, not vertical. In fact, the field lines of the generated ordinary gravity field are both horizontal and circular in nature. As an analogy, since the two types of gravity fields (i.e. ordinary gravity fields and "gravitomagnetic" fields) interact with each other exactly like electric and magnetic fields interact with each other, then consider the following. Any degreed electrical engineer will tell you that a collapsing vertical magnetic field will induce a circular horizontal electric field. This is the principle by which electrical generators work. Similarly, if a permanent magnet is thrust vertically through a horizontal circular coil of wire, then an electrical voltage is induced in the coil, due to the circular electric field which is produced by the moving magnet.


So, both NASA and Podkletnov were measuring for a change in gravity in THE WRONG DIRECTION!! They should have looked for any changes in gravity in the HORIZONTAL direction. Thus, the hanging weight in those experiments must have been pulled slightly either to the left or right (but not enough that they could visually see it).


The reason that Podkletnov got any results at all in the VERTICAL direction was simply due to the residual bending of the fields from the perfect horizontal, due to the finite size of the disk producing the fields. Then, there would have been a small but measurable vertical component to the generated gravity field.


I am unsure. This page has some of its "facts" wrong in other areas...but without being able to deduce the math, the logic of the above statement seems plausible.

As i find more, i will certainly post it. Thank you for bringing this back up again. With how my regular job has been, finding time and initiative for research is difficult.


reply posted on 23-3-2008 @ 11:00 PM by justsomeboreddude
BFFT,
Check out this patent by Torr and Vargas. It looks like it was just issued on 2/7/2008.
Torr and Vargas patent

Here is some contact info for Torr and Vargas (from 2004)
Jose G. Vargas1 and Douglas G. Torr2
PST Associates, 600 Westover Rd, Columbia, SC 29210
PST Associates, 5221 Tern Place, Fayetteville, NC 28311-
803-772-4431, josegvargas@bellsouth.net

and check out page 229 of this pdf
Staif2004 pdf

Hope some of this helps. From what I can understand of the patent (which is not much) it looks like they snuck an antigravity device past the patent office.



reply posted on 23-3-2008 @ 11:12 PM by justsomeboreddude

1. Field of the Invention

The invention relates to the generation of inhomogeneous electromagnetic fields and in particular, to the generation of fields that exert force on massive objects. Such fields have utility in the arts of mass acceleration (including object manipulation and propulsion) and communications.


Not all inhomogeneous electric field configurations will give rise to significant gravitational fields. The present disclosure shows preferred electrode configurations that give rise to inhomogeneous electric fields capable of producing significant gravitational fields. Significant gravitational fields means at least one or more of the following: 1. Gravitational fields with strength large enough to noticeably affect a mass (preferably a force of at least 1% or more of its weight, even more preferably on the order of 10% or more of its weight, most preferably greater than its weight).

The Charged Sphere

The electric field of the charged sphere is radial and therefore spherically symmetric. The spherical symmetry in turn produces a gravitational field with spherical symmetries. The electric field, E, of the charged sphere will decrease as 1/r.sup.2, where r is the distance from the center of the sphere. The derivative of the field scales as E/r where r is distance from the center of the sphere. Depending on the sign of its charge, the charged sphere would generate a gravitational force that would act to either attract or repel massive objects to or away from the center of the sphere. One use of such generators is as a device for producing, measuring and demonstrating gravitational effects and their principles. Other uses include any applications useful for applying forces to massive objects, and communications.



from the patent


reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 07:16 PM by justsomeboreddude
BFFT,
Thanks. It is interesting that you mention the Searl device. That is the first thing I thought of when I was reading the patent. They even mention Roschin and Godin. If i remember correctly they built a device like Searls and saw many of the same things he mentions, like cooling of the air, weight loss, etc..

From the patent

In July 2001, a three-day meeting of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) was held in Utah. V. Roschin and S. Godin presented a paper: An Experimental Investigation of the Physical Effects in a Dynamic Magnetic System. (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics 2001 Meeting, AIAA-2001-3660). The paper described an assembly of static and rotating magnets, which purportedly achieved a gravitational effect. The authors reported reductions in observed weight ranging up to 35%. However, the paper gave no theoretical basis for the result.


I want to build one of these things 10,000 volts doesnt seem like that much, but I dont know that much about electricity so I am not sure.

You are right about the references to Wallace and Brown, and they even discuss capacitors in the patent, which is what Wallace originally found to loose mass which is why he started down that path.

Also in the patent they mention some guys from the University of South Carolina and how they built a device that did appear to loose weight. It is this same University that Vargas and Torr originally worked for, so it makes you think that maybe they directed the building of this test device.


reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 07:28 PM by justsomeboreddude
Check this web page out. It is about Roschin and Godin's experiment. It even states on this page that it was a replica of Searls work. It has drawings of the device as well.

Roschin and Godins work

There are tons of references to this you can google.

As I look into Torr, Vargas, and Li I think what happened over time was that Torr's work with both of them led to him building the Physics/Theory behind the device. If you look at Torr and Vargas work leading up to the patent they do a lot of work on trying to bridge General Relativity with other works using different mathematical models and even trying to use different types of mathematical models to prove parts of GR.

This makes sense to me. Because as a scientest, not an entrepreneur Torr found something with Li (antigravity effects). Being a theorist he wants to figure out why he got the effects and this drives him down a path to approach GR in different ways to create the theory behind the device. Then once he gets close he starts to use the theory as a basis to create more successful experiments.

I am amazed they got this patent through, because they generally reject anything "crazy" like antigravity. But that is why the patent is so carefully worded to talk about producing gravity effects as opposed to them saying hey we need a patent for this antigravity device. However, it seems apparent to me that if you have followed Torr's work that what he is really saying in the patent is hey I figured out this Antigravity thing and let me patent every possible thing I can think of related to it. Every configuration etc...


reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 07:57 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by justsomeboreddude



Dr. Robert Baker seems to be quite a character. The outfits he wears in some of those images on his website with his lovely wife are fairly eccentric. But he seems to be very well connected to the Chinese.

Earlier in this thread i posted the results of my e-mail inquiry to him about Ning-Li. That was a strange encounter, honestly. I got two replies from two different emails. One said basically "Nope, sorry". The other was more detailed. He stated something along the lines of "I haven't seen her since she hosed the US Army out of $500k, which I arranged for her." He didn't seem very warm about the topic and i let it go.

I also emailed her former "boss" at NASA, and he said she was in Maryland the last he had heard. If it is true it would allude to a health issue that may have taken her out of the spotlight. Who knows? Maybe she got into medicine somehow, as the only things i can think of in Maryland are medical and clandestine (she looks like she would be an awkward secret spy, LOL).

But, back to Dr. Baker...his work seems to be fairly interesting. I am not sure i like his Chinese connections. It does affirm that our government is much more amiable to the Chinese government than they posture, as Dr. Baker is also a "head hunter" for the Army Research lab, funneling talent and inspiration their way.

Much of the "lattice ions" stuff is starting to look like it is being completely revolutionized by Claude Poher and his "universon".
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