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Originally posted by freight tomsen
I have just this week began posting a lot in ATS. I've been a member for almost 2 years but you'll notice I wasn't very active until this month and especially this week. The reason is I've been working on my book The Atlantean Conspiracy and just finished last month. Because of my book, however, the Masons on ATS are very threatened and have steeped this Mason vs. Anti-Mason polarizing debate over the past week.
Originally posted by freight tomsen
I like how you say I'm "attempting to appear victimized," and "using alternate screen names." I have shown where your agents sign in using multiple screen names, but you have never shown that I have, because I never have and never will. You lie and say I'm lying. You "attempt to appear victimized" and say that's what I'm here doing. And you claim I "use alternate screen names" which I've never done, but have caught agents doing here on ATS:
Originally posted by freight tomsen
What is this about "peer reviewed" papers? You're the third Mason to demand "peer reviewed" documentation of my claims. Where is your peer-reviewed documentation? And where do I get my hands on some peer-reviewed conspiracy research?
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
If a "Mason DOESN'T respond immediately" to my posts I have never "posted a follow up asking why the Masons haven't responded." Where are you getting this from? I don't want the Masons to respond to me. I'm not here to talk to you. I know your game, I know how you play, I'm not here to chit-chat with you.
Originally posted by freight tomsen
You keep telling me I'm "Anti-Mason" which I've never considered either way until this week. You want me to go Head-to-Head with MasonicLight in the Debate forum. You keep making threads about how certain ATS members are "Anti-Mason" and there's a "Very Real Conspiracy Against Masons." This is the Hegelian Dialectical game you play. You want to polarize my wealth of conspiratorial information (royalty, bloodlines, secret societies, vatican, alternate history, religion, numerology/symbology etc.). You want to minimalize my ability to affect change here on ATS by just making me "Anti-Mason."
Originally posted by freight tomsen
Anyway, it is clear that you Masons OWN the Secret Society forum on ATS and the Above Network is clearly FINE with that happening... so I think I'll leave you Masons to your lies and misinfo and I'll concentrate my posts in other forums where they will be more appreciated. Have fun.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
You are a anti-mason agent that is being paid by the NWO to deflect from the world-wide corruption agenda by placing a red herring on masonry. NWO officials are paying you to do this, in order to direct attention away from the truth.
You are a anti-mason agent that is being paid by the NWO to deflect from the world-wide corruption agenda by placing a red herring on masonry. NWO officials are paying you to do this, in order to direct attention away from the truth. Now, I have no proof for this and I am probably just making it up. But so are you.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
Again, it is obvious you have never read the OP or have no idea how people who seek to verify their claims actually write. I used the PEER REVIEWED NON-MASONIC SOURCES to draw together how people like you think, and each time I used information from a particular article or book I put the author's name in parenthesis with the year the source was published.
I would also like to note that you have not yet - in any thread - responded to the questions asked of you or refuted the claims that show you to be wrong. You spend all your time doing things like this, questioning my writing style, which is in my opinion an intentional tactic to divert people from the truth.
Originally posted by freight tomsen
I noticed that. It sure did look official too. Good on you. How much in-tuition did you pay for your indoctrination?
Originally posted by freight tomsen
What questions/claims specifically? I've responded as I've seen appropriate to each of your threads and posts. I answer your questions with multiple Mason and non-Mason sources and you say "you won't answer my questions" and "you don't provide sources." What questions/claims specifically have I not answered so that I may appease thy lordful royal arch supreme grand commander super duper pontiff's wishes?
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
Oh, the irony. You know its bad when the anti-mason laughs at the very same line of logic that he has the insanity to use against others. You fell for it, my man!
Originally posted by freight tomsen
I did!? Oh no, Ashton! Ashton, where are you!? You Punk'd me good.
Originally posted by freight tomsen know, because you have a worlwide organization with millions of members who have been repeatedly exposed for centuries trying to overthrow governments, assassinating Anti-Masons or ex-Mason whistle-blowers, conspiring to enter high positions in government, banking, business then through nepotism and secret society bond, continuing the agenda of globalization and centralization of Royal/Vatican/Secret Society control.
Originally posted by freight tomsen
You know, I was thinking you guys were paid agents, because I've caught you signing in under multiple screen names where you spend all day on Internet Conspiracy boards trying to prove that Masonry ISN'T a conspiracy!! BUT all along it was ME, the independent researcher with no affiliation to any organization, who was on New World Order payroll in an attempt to red herring people away from the NWO and over to Masons... yup, yes sir.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
In reality it is you, posting as a independent researcher and hiding your ties to the NWO, who is the disinformation agent. Let's think about this, shall we? If I were really a disinformation agent, I would NOT disclose I am a mason. I would act like a non-masonic independent researcher. But wait - isn't that what you've been doing? More evidence that your a disinformation agent. Your cover has been blown. Hey, I'm just making this stuff up like you are. But the holes in your logic are mind blowing.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
My friend, I don't think you've caught on. So in order to spare you embarassment: I am using your own fallacious logic and applying it back on you. You are poking fun at your own audacious circular logic, showing that you are lieing I showing you how absolutely ludicrous your lie is that somehow everyone who disagrees with you is paid freemason agent, by applying the same logic that you are a NWO disinformation agent.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
Notice how freight still cant respond to any of the evidence that has debunked him? Because hes just making things up, folks.
Freight doesn't like the spotlight to be shown on him because he isn't a very big fan of truth. Just paranoia and fear mongering. Which is why he doesn't like this thread.
[edit on 3-5-2008 by LightinDarkness]
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
It's pretty hard for me to be here for years, when I've been a member of the forums for less than a year.
Now, back on topic - though I know you hate it - do you care to refute or disprove anything in the OP? Or are you going to continue to run from the truth?