Personally I think the toll is more along the lines of 3 million if not considerably more.

Taking into account the depleted uranium constantly being used, bombing runs every day, new weapons testing, and hundreds of thousands foreign soldiers that could give a rats ass about Iraq and its people; this is just the beginning.

That's the sad part, even if all the tanks did roll out, all of Iraq infrastructure and land has been all but decimated. Radiation will kill millions more even after the fact.

Germany went for the Jews. United States and the 'coalition' are going for the Arabs. There is no difference. (just different weapons and methods)

By definition, it's a holocaust in Iraq, and plenty of other places too. Almost appears as nazi's killing of jews has copyright on 'holocaust' in public talk. In fact, to my ear WW2 jew holocaust was more like attempt of an genocide.

But if we are strict on definition, the original word in Greek meant complete destruction by fire. Sounds like WTC to me

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well the cost of war can be very intentional in this case, be it directly carried out by the troops or not .
white lies lead this war on 2 soil, denying the bodycount is just absurd in my opinion

you can add to that body count about 4million people that are on the run as refuges

im just perplexed as to how this should justyfie 9/11

Originally posted by DaleGribble
there is a huge diffrence between the intentinoal killing of people and the "cost" of war.

I'm not sure how huge a difference there is...dead is still dead. And when it comes to the loss of innocent life, packaging it as collateral damage makes the difference even narrower.

Originally posted by DaleGribble
we arnt lining arabs up and mowing them down with machine guns. or choping heads off by the dozens.

Maybe not as policy, but there is ample evidence of the rouge brutality exercised by some in the military and contractor ranks.

Moreover, it's not really necessary to line them up when you can do that indiscriminately from the air.

Originally posted by DaleGribble
when we do that i will be more than happy to listen to you preach. but for now it is my view that this topic and all like it are just a complete waste of time and space..

This is something I never really understand about posts like yours. Regardless of whether you feel these casualties are unavoidable, and therefore somewhat justified, why is there not some expression of regret or sympathy for the toll?

The absence of that expression makes us appear as barbaric as the enemy we are fighting.

Just my $0.02.

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Originally posted by v01i0
Thank you, opinion noted. While I appreciate your opinion, would you then refrain from expanding this 'waste of space', this will also rationalize your use of time.

Thought you wouldn't. If you are so sick of hearing this anti-american propaganda, then why you are still here provoking?

Originally posted by DaleGribble
im sure americans over there have killed civies on purpose. same as they have done to us.

Please point when civilians have killed US troops? Or did you perhaps mean 9/11? Dude, be serious!

First you said that US troops don't kill civilians, then you had to take it back. Yet you are still denying holocaust. What kind of person are you? In europe denying holocaust gets you imprisoned! - just joking

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