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Originally posted by DocMoreau
reply to post by US Monitor
Also, I personally think Hezbollah and Hamas both have just cause for their existence.
Their actions maybe too violent and brash to many who yearn for peace, but their Guerilla War is just as 'valid' as any modern civil war (past wars too), if not more so. Unfortunately, the naive decision making on their part in the past has caused unneeded death and destruction.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by IAmTetsuo
Uhm, I know it's a nice little internet factoid that's handy for arguing on debate forums, but the area of Israel was "blooming" way before 1948. Now, I know the popular assumption is that everywhere in the middle east is desert, or perhaps that Arabs are too stupid to irrigate, but it's blatantly untrue.
As I pointed out earlier, all of the richest land was to go to the Jewish state in the 1946 plan. That land was a;ready full of orchards, grain fields, well-irrigated... Oh, and th Jewish state, as I mentioned, would have also gained total control over the headwaters of the Jordan River. When Israel declared itself in 1948, it naturally made claims to all these areas. Israel didn't "make the desert bloom" it made Palestinian farmland into Israeli farmland through armed invasion.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by ergoli
The United States of America gives the Israeli government (not the Jews..... the Israeli Government.....) 1.8 billion in arms, military contracts, military budget, and debt reduction.
1.8 billion dollars.
Israel brings in the vast majority of its money through its own industries it developed....
Saudi Arabia brings in 366.2 Billion Dollars.
366.2 billion ..... with a bold B.
Israels ENTIRE GDP IS 170.3 BILLION.
A Mere 1.8 billion from US aid.
Saudi Arabia gets more then that in a day....
But not all countries are like this.. United Arab Emerites for example is the Las Vegas of the Mid East.. very modern, as is Kuwait.. Jordan also to an extent is modern, and thrives on TOURISM..
This is not a Jewish conspiracy that the Jew hate mongers think it is.. its a story that when people put their minds to it, great things happen. UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, Turkey, Egypt even.. they don't have oil (aside from Kuwait but they also have a thriving industrial sector) and turned their deserts into powerhouses of wealth (except Egypt who's over population brought them back down...) .. Even Lebanon was modern in the sense of Islamic Middle East, though radicals brought on a wrath that unjustly brought it down..
Essentially. Hate Israel all you want.
You only weaken those who are already weakened by pathetic mind set mentalities.
Those who openly hate Israel should know they are viewed no better then those who blatantly hate Muslims. Not so righteous.
[edit on 1/30/2008 by Rockpuck]
Originally posted by biggie smalls
reply to post by US Monitor
You seem to be quick to jump the gun when talking about Arab nations, but have no problem defending Israel.
How many civilians has Israel killed?
They are no better than the rest of us and need to be treated as such. As equals, and not exempt from war crimes.
According to the biblical story, Samson has superhuman strength, but fails to follow God's instructions. After being captured and blinded by his enemy, the Philistines, he prays and repents to God and is able to bring down a Philistine temple, thus killing everyone inside, including himself.
Originally posted by Albin
reply to post by DocMoreau
"I ask you what do you have to offer besides Pro-Jewish fueled propaganda? Anything?"
With your last gasp you give yourself away.............
This thread is about Israel, but obviously when someone says the word 'Israel' you hear the word Jew!
Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people and is often referred to as the Jewish state. The country's Law of Return grants all Jews and those of Jewish lineage the right to Israeli citizenship.
So why don't the Palestinians bust their butts to make their side of things a nice place for crops? Well, for starters, the West Bank is mostly rock. Hard to grow anything on rock. Second, well... farming apparently looks a lot like terrorism. Since every transaction has to go through Israel, don't you think he IDF would notice some Palestinian dudes ordering a lot of nitrates (fertilizer) . .
Originally posted by INdigo Child
reply to post by ThePiemaker
I think you are right.People think the western way is the best way but in the end it has proven not to be. Western society has too many problems IMO, but most of us have been force fed all their stupid values about money, big tits and such. I am just waiting for the day when it will all end. As for Israel they will get theirs one day, guess even their God is ashamed of them. But if he is not, then he is one bad God.Killing children is evil anywhere, anytime. No matter how hard you try you can never justify that.