Ahmadinejad tells West: Accept Israel imminent collapse

Originally posted by Now_Then
Well you would have to remember that he (Ahmadinejad) would of been speaking in Arabic in all probability

A pretty unlikely probability since he's Iranian...... and Iranians don't speak Arabic (they do however use some arabic words).

Come on, all his tired anti-Zionist bluster is merely an attempt to gain some popularity amongst the most ill educated of Iranians (and possibly to annoy the Israelis and Americans). He's got Majlis elections to think about in the next couple of months followed by presidential elections next year and he's not terribly popular at the moment, even the Supreme Leader had to tell him to chill out a bit, and the letter was read out in the parliament. Which must've been pretty embarrassing.

Normal Iranians couldn't care less about about Israel, it's the economy they want sorted out and Ahmadinejad's incompetence has only made it worse. Hence his constant outbursts attempting to distract everyone from the real issues.

Honestly, I fail to see where people are being divided on this.

The US is the only reason Israel has any power in the region. Without the US, Israel would be crushed by it's neighbors. Seeing as the US is entering a recession, and possibly a total depression... there will be no-one left to defend Israel.

Considering Israel has been doing plenty to try to spark incidents with it's neighbors... I'm quite sure it's neighbors are waiting for the US to be out of the picture before they rip Israel apart like a pack of dogs.

He never said Iran would attack Israel, he was simply saying implying Israels neighbors will... and it's time to accept what is about to happen.




If China and Russia were about to enter a depression... I guarantee you Bush would be telling the world that Iran is about to be 'dealt with' with a 'shock and awe' campaign.

I see no difference whatsoever.

I disagree with you.
Iran president talk like that because he knows and the supreme spiritual leaders also that America is about to engage Iran in some sort of conflict, and for sure this is not the America of some but the Zionist institution based in USA that are behind all this.
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I think he's just blowing steam. Maybe the real terrorists have a few real nukes. If Iran is attacked he might want one used in Israel, but I don't think he controls this. The new UN sanctions seem pretty tough on Iran. Bushehr is a big problem, I don't think the US will let it go online.
The Russians probably don't care if the US destroys Iran, but they don't want it to be a cakewalk. For the Russians, the bigger the mess the better. Anywhoo the Bushehr NPP isn't scheduled to be completed until after the Olympic games.
The Russians may delay completion again, keeping the US waiting, kinda like "stretch and break".

Is one latest new about USA trying to corner Iran.
What would any country will do if faced with this persistence of infringements?
Banking restriction is been force by USA and not UN.
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Originally posted by v01i0
I find topic of this thread misleading. Ahmadinejad is speaking about zionists there as far as I can see. Zionists != Israel.

Zionists were/are those who believe Jews should live and worship on Mt. Zion.

In case you don't know where Mt. Zion is, the "Wailing Wall" is in the west side of it.

Speaking against Zionists and claiming one is not talking about Israelis makes about as much sense as an American saying "Yankee, go home!" doesn't apply to him because he was born in South Carolina or Texas.

Originally posted by IvanZana The president of Iran never once condoned violence.

He is disturbed that after WW2 the jews were allowed to take homes and possesions of the Palestinians forcing them into tent cities and behind walls and guns while jewish people live in the cities they built.

This was the Rockefeller, Rothschild, United Nations decision to kill and uproot Palestinians. The Palestinians had nothing to do with WW2.

As far as the president, he believes that Israel will collapse like the former Soviet Union.

Yes, like the UNITED STATES, Israel will collapse, under the weight of it's own stupidity. WE reject the formula of proven success, replacing it with failed socialistic policies and thinking.

Putin will knell before Bush, like Saddam and Bush will hang him. Putin, although not gay needs a backbone. ---------PC

Yeah yeah.... Guess he forgot that IDF has est 500 nukes at the ready. If Israel is about to fall to Islam the Jews will turn the middle east into a microwave oven. Rather than fall Israel will destroy them all. I cant blame them. Oh and before the USA falls....Guess what....we are pushing the button and taking yall with us.

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Originally posted by JSR

I have heard many people say the Ahmadinejad never said he wanted to wipe Israel of the map. However, when he continues to make statements like this, I have to wonder what he really means.

So, I ask ATS. What do think he means when he says things like this? Surly he cant mean economically. Does he mean through a war with militant organizations? Through population influx of some sort?

I'm really confused here. I don't know what he means by this. If I could ask him myself I would. But I cant.

What do you think?

Is this a trick question?

He wants the Near East to be .... funny, there's a word for it, "Judenrein".

There is never any peaceful, sensible proposal made for "What are we going to do with the Jews who live in Israel and don't want to move" ever made.

Because what he wants is "evacuation or extermination".

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Actually, I don't think even the people in charge of these countries are nearly as deranged as you apparently are. How's about you find another forum to preach genocide from, pahdnah?

Israel did not need to be built. It was completely unnecessary for Jews to have their own state. You're talking about arabs obsessing over that land but it's also the Jews who are obsessing over it. Why did the nation need to be built on that small bit of land? If you accept jewish reasons to build there as valid then I don't see how you can dismiss any muslims desire to defend and to keep that same "holy land".

Why is nobody seriously talking about eliminating Pakistan?

E.g., "those muslims over there they don't deserve a state of their own." Nobody except some insane hindu maniacs still think that, and there aren't any Hindu terrorist groups blowing up people in Pakistan to press for the elimination of the Pakistani state and its annexation to India and expulsion (to who knows where) of its Muslim citizens.

Even the name "Pakistan" is a 20th century invention, and Pakistan was created about the same time as Israel.

And there were lots of Arab homelands and modern states created by the U.K. and its allies out of the wreckage of the Ottomans as well. Today they're known as Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, Algeria & Libya.

Let's get some balance here. I really don't agree with Israel's settlments either but let's have some perspective about no right to exist or anything like that.

The USSR was a large collection of individual ethnicities in an enormous territory which when it fell apart still had a government of Russia.

Will Iran or Hamas propose any realistic and sensible "one state solution"?

Why do they never say and act "we don't have a problem with Jews and we will really live peacefully with them"---and demonstrate it.

How about this plan: two states, and then if in the future they get along and they both agree, they merge, voluntarily and peacefully. That's a good way to change the map.

Originally posted by DenyAllKnowledge

Originally posted by Now_Then
Well you would have to remember that he (Ahmadinejad) would of been speaking in Arabic in all probability

A pretty unlikely probability since he's Iranian...... and Iranians don't speak Arabic (they do however use some arabic words).

Ahh well.. close enough.. Farsi then any who my point was about whoever translates and edits all these grand statements by all these world leaders has a surprising amount of power in their hands as regards what spin is put on things - beware the source!!

Originally posted by mbkennel
Let's get some balance here. I really don't agree with Israel's settlments either but let's have some perspective about no right to exist or anything like that.

Israel should never have been created. The reason why not is the very same reason why Israel is different from all those other countries you listed. The ethnic groups of those other countries were already indigenous to the land and they simply carved the land up in order to give each "tribe" their own countries as required for self-determination.

Israel is a little different because it was internationally organized property theft from the very beginning.

A bunch of ignorant people with a superior (read: racist) view of themselves left their homes because they decided to answered "god's call." Their great god wanted nothing less than for them to go oppress and kill someone without the means to defend themselves and then steal their land as their own.

In this last paragraph,
Am I talking about the creation of Israel in 1948?
Am I talking about the genocide and land-theft perpetrated against the Canaanites by the Jews in 1200BC?

See, the Zionists have a long history of disregarding any other peoples' humanity, culture, and worth. Ever notice that most of the historical enemies of the Jewish State have been completely and ruthlessly ethnically cleansed and no longer exist as an ethnicity?

Who killed all the Canaanites? Who killed all the Philistines? Who killed all the Midianites?

Jon

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I know what he means.

What he means is that the world is fed up with Israel and their actions. Fed up with their systematic murder and abuse. Fed up with their political meddling, and fed up with their illegal occupation of PALESTINE. So am I.

And for the record. He said nothing of wiping Israel off the map.
The Zionists said he said that. The press took their orders on that too, and is why it's repeated everywhere.

Israel will wipe themselves off the map.
Iran won't be the aggressor in that either as we will see.

Originally posted by JSR
reply to post by IvanZana

 

i hear what you are saying about the israelie tacktics.

but im still not clear on how you understand the iranian pres. comments. do you means to say the iranian pres. is just stating that israel/zionisit state will collapse economiclly, or through military force?

You haven't answered IvanZana's question, instead you've given the impression you are and at the same time twisted round to a point you are trying to make. You should get a job in politics.

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Turkey shouldn't exist and should never have been allowed to continue. They killed the Byzantines, took over Constantinople, and wrongly renamed it, not to mention lets force the Muslims out of all the lands they have after they took them by force in their evil conquests.

Re-Creating Israel was exactly just and the right thing to do. The reason the arabs are upset is because once again the Jews have proven superior and have made something out of nothing and without the benefit of large oil deposits.

Of course the arabs can try again to force Israel out, but they understand about getting their butts kicked now.

I agree with whoever posted that about Pakistan, in fact all the modern arab states and iran shouldn't exist. They were all created by decree from GB. I guess they figure it is ok to be given something but not ok for anyone not muslim. Racists all.

So much for that silly notion of islam being a religion of peace. HA!

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Its pretty obvious that he is refering to Military force and not to economic problems. Otherwise why would he refer to the collapse of Israel only, im pretty sure that sooner or later Iran, US and other countries would collapse too, its just a matter of time. Also If you read or listened to the other speachs he gave, then it'll be pretty straight forward that he means through military force. ( if anyone wants links i'll provide them later, because I have to go soon).

I was reading through the first 3 pages of this thread, and people said that the president of Iran was refering to the ZIONISTS but not the orthodox jews... im pretty sure that IF Iran will try to invade israel through an army invasion and even bombing they will not knock on everyones door and ask them if they're zionists or orthodox or even Christians, they will bomb Israel as a whole nation regardless of what religion they are.

The obvious difference between Israel and the Muslim countries you mention is the fact that Muslims were a majority in those countries when they were created. Most of the people who founded Israel were colonists (and also refugees) from Europe.

However as I have said before, questions about Israel's "right" to exist are pointless. The horse has left the barn already on that particular question. It exists now, and chasing the people who live there now would be just as wrong as Israel kicking the Palestinians out was in the first place.

The only possible solution is a two-state solution, however much Christian Zionists and far right Israelis (not to mention Ahmadinejad) might want to whine about it.

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