Ahmadinejad tells West: Accept Israel imminent collapse

Originally posted by JSR
reply to post by IvanZana

 

ok..i see what your saying now.

i just dont know how you can remove the zionist without throwing the state israel into chaos. much like iraq is now.

from my point of view that is the paradox Ahmadinejad is trying to ge ppl to understand, yet some fail to see it because of media being as yellow as yellow cake these days

much of the speaking he does is in light of us and brittish interferance in the middle east region , and how they ve pretty much tried to hijack the area. throu israel and other conflicts

Israel have a clearly defined `first use` policy of nuclear weapons - and also will use `The samson Option` which WILL involve nuclear weapons on Germany and other European countries.

reply to post by zerbot565


but i dont see how inflamitory comments like these will help solve the paradox.

if they all recognize israel as a state, then they can begin to deal with the issue of zionism.

but from what i understand, iran will not recognize israel untill the issue has been solved. and that gets the disscussion nowhere.

reply to post by Harlequin


thanls for joining the disscusion.
how do understand the iranian pes. comments? what do think is his intentions with comments like these?

In fact, zionism designates a whole set of jewish emigration theories ranging from proponents of peaceful socialist developement alongside and encomprising the arab hosts (Theodor Herzl en.wikipedia.org...) to brutal terrorism and dominion in order to subdue the 'arab animals' into obedience (lunatics like Jabotinsky en.wikipedia.org... Wingate en.wikipedia.org... ).

Historical developement of Zionism in the thirties and everafter followed rather the second brand of Zionism (Begin, Dayan, Barak, Sharon, etc...) and poisoned relations with the arab hosts rather than making friends with the neighbours.

there are many moral paradoxes

eq.

how can 2 nations force one nation to give up parts of its land ?

how can one nation hold 200+ nuclear warhead and be able to prolong its long range missile program ( space program ??) ? when nieghbur nations dont even get a chance to say do or dont.

how come gaza can be occupied by israel forces when its a clear violation of internation law ,

questions , questions that need answers


questions that only irans persident seams to have "balls" to ask these days


as for remarks or how its translated, i bet most ppl in the political buissnes make just as absurd remarks

take bush for an example ,

god told me to invade iraq
if this was a dictator ship it be a heck of a lot easier to run
etc etc

to me thouse word sound just as absurd as thouse of Ahmadinejad when first glanced upon , but with background story to the remarks id say bush is the one making the absurd remarks in my opinion

reply to post by JSR


He hasn`t actually changed his comments or opinions in years - he is just now expressing himself in a way that is more difficult for the wetern press to spin in a way that suites them.

he is anti-zionist, as are many jews around the world , and lets not forget Iran has one of the largest jewish populations in the middle east , has a member of parliment in iran and a jew only hospital!


the comments are in relation to palestine and the appaling conflict there - which is coming to a head.

reply to post by ergoli


interesting post.
would you say there are elements of the former theroies of zionism still around?

what are your inpressions of the iranian pres. comments?

Originally posted by zerbot565
questions that only irans persident seams to have "balls" to ask these days

but the statments being made by the iranian pres. ( not questions ) are inflamitory in nature. if it is his intention to bring awareness to the issues with hopes of solving them diplomaticly, then the statements dont help.

i can understand his frustrations, however, more inflamitory rhetoric does nothing but create more inflamitory rhetoric. or worse. violence.

imo, there needs to be statments and solutions offered that include the rational people of israel to help the issues.

Originally posted by JSR
reply to post by ergoli

 

interesting post.
would you say there are elements of the former theroies of zionism still around?

I think the Kibbutz movement is historically inspired by Theodor Herzl's 'peaceful' zionism. But i'm not sure if that still holds true nowadays. Even the israeli socialist party is largely aligned on Sharonist policies.

what are your inpressions of the iranian pres. comments?

Ahmadinejad is right about Israel. US-Israeli supremacy in the region is now solely based on terrorizing civilians, military threat, governement propaganda, and fighting democratic movements in palestine or other neighbouring countries. Nothing is possible anymore on diplomatic and peaceful terms. That indicates the failure of US-israeli strategy for the mideast, a deadlock for anything US or israel wishes to do. The only and last solution for Israel and the US is to conquer the region by military force and subdue the populations into accepting zionist dominion and drilling rights by decades of military terrorism (see Iraq).

id have to disagree ,
Ahmadinejad is just responsing with a same tone of political voice the u.s is doing right now,

Ahmadinejad saying israel is the conflict pool in the middle east

bush saying afganistan , uh no iraq , *couch* iran is now the conflict pool in the middle east

it just depends how you view it wich makes things more intresting

*doublepost*



[edit on 30-1-2008 by zerbot565]

Originally posted by ergoli
Ahmadinejad is right about Israel......Nothing is possible anymore on diplomatic and peaceful terms.........

are you to believe then, that the iranian pres. comments should be taken as a diretct threat to US/israel/zionism in the ME? do you suppose he is intending for there to be an open military confrontation against israel?

reply to post by zerbot565


i agree the US policy for the ME is just absurd. and bush's rhetoric towards iran is just as unhelpful. cant argue there.

but, ive given all hope up on bush. somebody has to stand up and be a man (adult) about things here. someone needs to lead in the solutions, not the tit for tat. US is just as guilty...yes.

aye i to hope that spring bring changes and new winds to the us sails

reply to post by zerbot565


just want to say thanks for a rational disscussion. on ATS, its almost unheard of.

JSR, Israel is a state born out of terrorism, terrorism that continues to this day so therefore the Palestians and others feel rightly agrieved that their land and homes have been stolen from them, And seeing as others spout off from the rooftops why not the Iranian president.

4th, why would Iran want to sell nukes to Terrorists when they (the Terrorists) can get them elsewhere, America comes to mind as they seem to like supporting and fermenting terrorist groups. A very likely scenario for Isreal is to do a 9/11 type event on their own soil, possibly using a nuke and then blaming it on Iran just as a reason to take them out. I mean its what the US Govermnet did is it not so they could have an excuse to invade and rob Iraq.

reply to post by magicmushroom


hello magicmushroom.

im not debating any reasons for why the iranian pres. may feel the way he does. what i would like to know is, how do you interput the pres. comments? what is it that he means?

is he saying that israel will collapse militarily, economicly, or is it just political posturing with no intended physical ramifications?

First of all The Iranian president as a pretended to be elected official of Iran is a mere puppet and posesses no power. The real power is from the ruling religious Ayatollahs. He is but a mere mouthpiece to spew their agenda through rhetoric.
To view his sayings keep this in mind, one should never associate what he says with him personally or his tenure in office. This goes further in that when he dies or is removed from office his rhetoric will not go away as the Ayatollahs will put up someone else as their mouthpiece.

There are a lots of sources for the Ayatollas views as spoken though their puppet.

www.adl.org...
An example from the above site,
"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."

It is said the "he" believes he is paving the way for some prophesied Islamic ruler. I wonder where he got that idea? There is no Islamic nation representing all of Islam, but it is quite obvious that these religious nutjobs in power in Iran think they are first in line to get the position and will do just about anything to make their dreams reallity. They say Isreal must be confronted and defeated then they arm the Palestinians to the teeth. They are self fullfilling their own prophesies.

Originally posted by JSR
reply to post by zerbot565

 

but i dont see how inflamitory comments like these will help solve the paradox.

if they all recognize israel as a state, then they can begin to deal with the issue of zionism.

but from what i understand, iran will not recognize israel untill the issue has been solved. and that gets the disscussion nowhere.

Why should anyone recognize a purely colonialist entity whose 'foreign policy' is solely based on terrorism ? No alledged terrorist group is even being recognized as a regular army by the United States, why should Iran abide different standards and recognize Israel as a nation ?