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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 01:05 AM by Herbal Oli
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I hope it never happens, but one day you may need a gun to protect yourself and you wont have one.
The US is far far from being a Democracy and Australia too.
Follow the money my man for you will find evil that will make you $hit yourself
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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 02:47 AM by Phattdragon
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Because, the gov does not want us to be armed. The 2nd amen give us the right to bear arm. Because, they had just had to fight to come here and
start over. But some of the same people that were a problem came with them. So just encase they started back with their old ways, we would be armed
and could fight back without having to leave again. Now think about that. If the people armed were to fight back, what would the now gov do. Maybe
they would do what we put them in office to do. Not what makes them the kid with the most toys at the end of the day. 
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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 05:38 AM by 44soulslayer
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 Originally posted by hpsfl
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I've SHOT a AK-47 on full-auto at the local army base (Some soldiers owed my dad a favour) It's horribly innacurate becuase of the floating barrel,
which flies all over the place.
Which brings us back to the question...
Why do civilians need Automatic firearms? 
None that I can see. I dont want one... (though would like to shoot one at the range once in a while).
However I also can see that banning them will not solve anything, that it is arbitrary and unecessary.
I cede to the valid point that stricter control is needed over firearms. Kids should not be allowed to buy guns, but they should be allowed to shoot
them in safely supervised conditions. Anyone on mental health medication ought to be stringently checked also, and anyone with a past crime should be
barred.
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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 04:39 PM by hpsfl
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Okay look.
The government, which all you paranoid folks is out to kill you, isn't going to just shoot at you with guns. They'll use Abrams, Napalm, Apaches,
Bradleys, Aircraft Carriers, B-52's, AT4's, Blackhawks, MOAB's, Cluster Bomb's, F-22's, etc, etc, etc. Your pathetic romanian AK clone isn't
going to do # against the government. And if you do, ex, kill a whole platoon of marines, they'll probably send a tank, or call in an airstrike. Good
luck shooting down a F-22 with you AK clone.
And your only reason you can think of owning automatic firearms, is because you think the US governemt is going to kill you all?
Try getting out of the basement every once in a while.
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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 07:06 PM by 44soulslayer
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Thats funny... the Mahdi army in Iraq seem to be holding off the entire military might of the USA with AKs and Dragunovs.
You have wholely misunderstood the concept of asymmetric warfare my friend!
The point is that no government is going to want to wholesale slaughter their own people- then they would have nobody to rule over.
Having a rifle means having a choice about whether or not you want to be sent to a Gulag. When that secret police unit turns up to force you into a
slave labour camp, you will be able to fight back.
You may not live past the firefight, but you will have laid yourself upon the altar of freedom in self-sacrifice.
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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 07:09 PM by 888LetsRoll
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Like America has what the largest prison population on planet earth. its a industry here. lock you up make you work for pennys per hr. granted there
are a lot of bad muthers behind bars thank god there prisons if you know what I mean, but most criminals are in on drug offenses.
so that is sort of Slavery on top of Slavery - /// anyone ever given this thought a serious look...?
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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 07:11 PM by 888LetsRoll
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Oh a Manchurian Canidate or MKUltra product
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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 08:06 PM by thesun
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The goverments dont trust people to do right thing and i dont blame them.
Even the goverments can not always do right things with the power vested in them by the people, so how can they trust the people when they dont trust
themselves.
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reply posted on 10-5-2008 @ 08:48 AM by Ioseb_Jugashvili
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The Mehdi army really hasnt accomplished anything to move the US out of Iraq. Dragunovs and AKs only get you so far...
Any major pocket of resistance that pops up just gets whacked with a couple precision bombs/artillery rounds/tank rounds.
Any insurgent movement in a country that has such weapons would not fare any better than the Iraqis currently are, and might face stronger retaliation
to prevent such movement from spreading.
Governments will go great lengths not to loose control, you assume too much if you think your army will not aim their guns at you if the Boss says
so.
Originally posted by thesun
The goverments dont trust people to do right thing and i dont blame them.
Even the goverments can not always do right things with the power vested in them by the people, so how can they trust the people when they dont trust
themselves.
Quoting this for truth
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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 02:53 AM by riff_raff
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There's nothing that petty tyrants and nanny-state bureaucrats fear more than a well informed, well armed citizenry. That's why the first two
amendments to the US constitution are protections for freedom of speech and the right to bear arms.
Statistically in the US, the person least likely to commit a firearms offense is a private citizen with a CC permit. As the old joke goes, "Ted
Kennedy's Buick has killed more people than my handgun".
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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 03:23 PM by hpsfl
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Statistically, a paraplegic has the least chance of commiting a murder. Then, a blind person; with a demented old lady close behind.
Did you just make up that fact?
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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 04:22 PM by 44soulslayer
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The premise remains that if the Mahdi army were not armed, they could not have resisted US troops.
4000 US troops have died at the hands of the Mahdi army... that is evidence of armed resistance all right.
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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 10:18 PM by Herbal Oli
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Originally posted by Ioseb_Jugashvili
reply to post by 44soulslayer
I didnt say a blanket ban, but stronger restrictions as to whom can get a gun would be much better than kids buying guys over the internet and using
them in schools.
My point being, tougher gun rules work, and the proof of it are the Europpean countries that enforce them and do NOT have the Homicide/Gun related
crimes the US, Sudan, etc etc have.
I dont suggest a complete ban, merely keeping guns to responsible people...and not teenagers who watched a Marylin Manson video too many.
And yes, an astronomical amount of people die to Tobacco and Booze. There are ways to inhale nicotine now though without completely destroying your
lungs (N-Joy is the name of the thingy...if I recall right.)
As for booze, governments are a bit hipocrital with their policies with it. Marihuana is a lot less dangerous, and yet its banned...but hey, I dont
make drug policies.
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A gun is not really going to help much the "common man".
Education, and pacific resistance is going to serve him better, at least in a democratic country, and I believe you live in one.
People in Iraq had guns during Saddam....did it change anything? Without external help, I dont think there's much a civilian population can do if
they indeed have an "Evil" leader.
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Is the "opposition" the police or the army? Because in that case you'll need tanks and airplanes to defend your civil liberties. Specially
considering the army will not back up the general population....as its now the case.
Having guns as an excuse to defend one's "rights" is pretty moot, considering americans are accepting them being reduced...all in the name of the
War on Terror. Where is the insurgency fighting the evil government?
I beg to differ, a gun will help the common man
add 2 and 2 together, why do they want disarmament? they are affraid of the populace, why are they affraid of the populace? because they know they are
doing immoral/unethical things everyday. eg. chipping. they want to have everyone on the system, their diet, their exact whereabouts, and much much
more.
stay connected folks but get off the grid soon. and dont forget to arm yourself
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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 11:20 PM by hpsfl
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Guns don't help the common man. They were born out of the arms race in the midevil ages as a more powerful alternative to the bow and arrow. They
wern't engineered to be a method of gathering food, or sport. They were invented for the sake of killing. And please, don't get started again
on the whole "food" aspect of firearms. The world feeds itself off slaughterhouses, genetically engineered plants, and processed abominations.
Please people, wake up to the fact that the government isn't afraid of you! And really, they arn't out to get you. They don't track you all day,
track your purchases, phone calls, relationships, etc. Do you think that people actually care about the average, 230lb, greasy slob of an american?
No! They'd rather be spending thier time fighting wars and gathering taxes. Sure, if your planning on starting a jihad in your small town sometime
soon, yeah they'd be tracking you. As for watching 250mil overweight americans running around in circles all day, I think they have better things to
do.
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reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:05 AM by Herbal Oli
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Originally posted by hpsfl
reply to post by Herbal Oli
Guns don't help the common man. They were born out of the arms race in the midevil ages as a more powerful alternative to the bow and arrow. They
wern't engineered to be a method of gathering food, or sport. They were invented for the sake of killing. And please, don't get started again
on the whole "food" aspect of firearms. The world feeds itself off slaughterhouses, genetically engineered plants, and processed abominations.
Please people, wake up to the fact that the government isn't afraid of you! And really, they arn't out to get you. They don't track you all day,
track your purchases, phone calls, relationships, etc. Do you think that people actually care about the average, 230lb, greasy slob of an american?
No! They'd rather be spending thier time fighting wars and gathering taxes. Sure, if your planning on starting a jihad in your small town sometime
soon, yeah they'd be tracking you. As for watching 250mil overweight americans running around in circles all day, I think they have better things to
do.
lol, thats funny
where do you live, in a bubble? they are tagging native americans already, and its not exactly for scientific study. want me to go on? please by all
means... the ball is in your court bud
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reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 09:20 AM by reluctantpawn
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FYI most assault type automatic rifles are not designed to kill but to wound. A wounded man removes three people from the field whereby a dead one
will be left behind. If you look at the modern .223 caliber M16 you will see that it is a hyper velocity round that will continue through its target
with limited damage when compared to a hollow point hunting caliber rifle. When compared to the 30-06 round or the .308 round it is almost ineffective
but in well placed groups. Hardly an effective weapon for the pray and spray mentality that you seem to suggest that we have. Contrary to your opinion
death is not the prime purpose of the modern firearm.
respectfully
reluctantpawn
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reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 04:33 PM by hpsfl
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Yes, that I know. I also realize that the 5.56 NATO (or .223 rem as you americans call it) is not a killing round, but it's designed to "tumble" on
impact, therefore inflicting maximum damage internally, as opposed to sheer force. In terms of physics, the 5.56 has much more "power" per se, while
the 7.62x39 (AK) round is a killer. It's simply a scaled down rifle bullet, to facilitate "comfortable" automatic fire. No thought of wounding or
anything put into that one.
However, I'm arguing that there is no NEED (God, how many times do I have to say this, people!?!?!) for automatic weapons. What, are you planning on
wounding your deer?
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reply posted on 13-5-2008 @ 09:16 AM by reluctantpawn
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there is no need for many things, alchoholic drinks, tobacco products, chemical weapons, or even as a previous poster said fast cars. The fact is that
here in the states our government is truly supposed to be ours. We are the Government .Our rights are said to come from God not the Government. Our
Government is to answer to the people not the other way around. It is there imperative that the people maintain power to keep the government in check.
Yes sometimes they are used the wrong way, but it is a price we pay for freedom. Might I suggest you read a book written by John Lott concerning gun
control and its effect on America. [I cannot remember the name at this time] America is like no other country on earth. Its people are like no other
on earth. I do not expect others to really understand the dynamics of the American people. It is beyond the comprehension of many.
respectfully
reluctantpawn
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reply posted on 13-5-2008 @ 05:29 PM by Torsten
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Its all a plot to weaken their people so the coming Storm will be easier for them. "People should not fear their governments, governments should
fear their people."~V
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