Putting Civilisation Back together, page 1
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reply posted on 29-1-2008 @ 05:21 AM by forestlady
reply to post by LLoyd45




Have to agree with you here, Lloyd - why would we want to put it back together? I think that everyone's needs would probably be quite different from what they are now, for one thing. Right now, it's important to have a car to drive to work, where you stay for 8 hours or more a day.

If things fell apart, that would not even be on the "to do" list. The primary objective would be for shelter, food and survival. Safety would be another issue, especially if there are only 4 to 5 people banded together; there would be marauding groups of folks looking for food, shelter, etc. There is safety in numbers, so if you had more like 25 to 30 people, they could all defend themselves much better. As a result, staying hidden may well be one of the most important things.
Of course, if there's a breakdown of our electrical grids, we would have no technology and wouldn't be able to put civilization back together the way it is now.
Great post OP, thanks!


reply posted on 29-1-2008 @ 05:57 AM by kaos1911
reply to post by forestlady




Have to agree with you here, Lloyd - why would we want to put it back together?


Civilisation gave us the pyramids, medicine, a man on the moon, satellites, steamships to cross oceans, planes to span the globe.

On a more personal level take this example: you are in a small community and one of you gets sick, for example Cholera, curable if you have the drugs but what if you don't how can you make them?

Or there is the other example you survive, make a small community, live out your life, and raise kids. But where are your kids going to learn medicine, mechanics, electronics etc. Are you not going to try to improve the world for the next generation?


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reply posted on 29-1-2008 @ 07:16 AM by citizen smith
reply to post by kaos1911



A good starting point would be to look at pre-industrial revolution society, where most goods and services were provided by a network of cottage-industries. Communities specialised in a particular trade or service, whether agriculture in rural areas, coal/ore mining, metalworking, engineering etc. It would depend entirely on the skills-base of your local community as to where to start.

Of course this would depend entirely on the severity of life in a post-x society, but if the basics of adequate food, warmth and shelter can be provided for, I don't see why civilisation wuld revert automatically back to the stone-age...possible late medieval at the very worst, owing to the knowledge base aquired by mankind since then and held in libraries (books will far outlast the internet which can be terminated in an EMP strike) At the very worst I can imagine society re-starting at the point where the steam-age began.


reply posted on 29-1-2008 @ 08:53 AM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by kaos1911
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post by forestlady



Civilisation gave us the pyramids, medicine, a man on the moon, satellites, steamships to cross oceans, planes to span the globe.

Civilization has also given us the horror of nuclear bombs, global warfare, racial genocide, mass pollution, and exploitation of the masses. I consider none of these great boons to mankind.

On a more personal level take this example: you are in a small community and one of you gets sick, for example Cholera, curable if you have the drugs but what if you don't how can you make them?
People have lived on this planet for millions of years without hospitals, doctors, pharmacists, x-ray technicians, etc. Most of your pharmaceuticals come from naturally ocurring sources in the first place, and believe it or not, there's even individuals that know how to use them.


Or there is the other example you survive, make a small community, live out your life, and raise kids. But where are your kids going to learn medicine, mechanics, electronics etc. Are you not going to try to improve the world for the next generation?
First of all why is it necessary that they learn these things? Is the idea to re-create all the problems we are experiencing now from our so-called technology? What's wrong with trying to live in-step with nature rather than try to overpower it?

Have we become so sheep-like that we must have collective leaders to shepherd us? Whatever became of the sense of pride and accomplishment we obtained from being independent?

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reply posted on 30-1-2008 @ 11:55 PM by paladin1852
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I agree, but I think that people would establish some sort of government to manage resources, and for mutual protection.
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