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Russia issues warning to U.S. & EU over Kosovo independence

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posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 07:00 AM
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I am myself from Eastern Europe - unfortunately no americans saved Eastern Europe - however, I have to admit that we would all speak German if US would not help!




posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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Maloy,
Your analysis that local Serbs may start insurgent become reality.

Kosovo: Turmoil in north, KFOR tries to block Leposavić
19 February 2008 | 12:17 -> 15:32 | Source: B92, Beta, Reuters, Tanjug
KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, ZUBIN POTOK -- An administrative checkpoint near Kosovska Mitrovica was blown up this morning, it has been confirmed.

Local KIM radio says that the Jarinje point near the town, as well as Brnjak near Zubin Potok, were mined and then blown up. Both are the crossing points on Serbia's administrative line with Kosovo.

Reports added that "several thousand Serbs in this way protested the ethnic Albanians' unilateral declaration of independence".

A dozen Kosovo police vehicles were also set on fire, KIM reports. None of the officials or policemen employed at the checkpoints were hurt.

A Serbian state flag was also hoisted at the crossing.

KFOR and UMNIK blocked all access roads to Leposavić, also a town on the administrative boundary, with their vehicles.

KFOR then used bulldozers to push soil onto the roads to physically block them.

But the Serbs, who previously set Jarinja checkpoint on fire, also used bulldozers to clear the roadblock.

Soldiers then stepped aside, so that no incidents occurred.

The nearby KFOR Camp Notting Hill is secured by around ten armored vehicles, while helicopters fly over Leposavić.

Beta news agency learned from Zubin Potok mayor Slaviša Ristić that the protests ended after 13:00 CET. He also explained the cause of the riots.

Read the rest of article here:
xs4.b92.net...

And here is the picture of blowed up control point:


Situation in Zvečan
Several hour ago local Serbs burned police station [media didn't cover this [yet]]. Pictures made by local Serb with cell phone:





posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 12:06 PM
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First of all the declaration of independence by Kosovo is ilegal, the recodnision of Kosovo by other countries is ilegal.
There is one possible way for a region to become independent and proclaim it's self a nation, and that is with a UN resolution in the security council , regarding international law it is the only way this can happen. Kosovo as a nation is ilegal and can't be reconised.Nations like the United States and other nations that do reconise Kosovo as a nation are breaking the international law, along with the unawful administration from Kosovo.It's plain and simple, international law only permits this to happen within a UN resolution.


Second of all, all off you that were looking at TV only saw a one sided version.The prime minister of Kosovo is a terorist, and started the war in Kosovo before anyone started anything.

He was part of UCK.
UCK as an organisation was active in kosovo since 1990 and caried a guerila tactic war long before the serbs did anything.
As a result of UCK existence and it's guerila tactics the serbs acted.
UCK commited murdurer long before the serbs did, and it was UCK that started the conflict suported by United States, like Afganistan? like so many other regions? out of intrest?


The most well known group is Ushtria Çlirimtare e Kosovës (Albanian for the Kosovo Liberation Army - KLA), which operated in Kosovo from 1990 to 1999. (The name was in use from 1992)

en.wikipedia.org...


UÇK is an acronym used by Albanian majority within Kosovo from 1992 to 2001:

The most well known group is Ushtria Çlirimtare e Kosovës (Albanian for the Kosovo Liberation Army - KLA), which operated in Kosovo from 1990 to 1999. (The name was in use from 1992)
Not so well known is Ushtria Çlirimtare Kombëtare (Albanian for National Liberation Army), which operated in the Republic of Macedonia in 2000 and 2001. This movement is often confused with the KLA because of its identical (Albanian) acronym, and because many of the NLA soldiers were KLA veterans.


Hashim Thaci is an X UCK guerila leader, he is a bucher with blod on his hands, a criminal and comited crimes long before serbia decided to act.
The independence of cosovo was planed long before any war started and it was done mainly with the help of united states for desintegraton of balcanic nations so they would be easy to control.
Kosovo was part of Serbia long before Yugoslavia took birth.
Croatia and other nations that separated had a right to separate because they were nations before Yugoslavia took birth, and as Croatia was a nation before Yugoslavia was on the map the same was with the nation of Serbia with Kosovo included.
Albanians do not have a right there, besides this they aready have a nation, to add that by international law in the curent state Kosovo should be declared an ilegal state, it can't exist by international laws unless a UN resolution is passed.



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by yanchek
First. Albanians are the only nation in the world that have not one but two ethnicaly pure countries. Congratulations.


Meanwhile ethnicities like the Kurds still get none. Where is the justice? Now that Kosovo is set up, lets invade Turkey and separate 1/4 of it to make Kurdistan.



Originally posted by yanchek
Second. I hope Serbs will quickly accept the new reality and calm themselves down.


The new reality is that their country has been invaded and then separated. I see no reason to calm down. It is easy to tell someone to calm down when what is happening does not concern you or your heritage.



Originally posted by yanchek
Kosovo Albanians actually made them a huge favour. Who on earth would want to have the poorest and underdeveloped country/province in Europe? To call Kosovo a third world country is an insult to thirld world countries. It's about time Serbia lost some dead weight.


While that may be true, there is still the factor of Serbian national heritage, the heritage of their religion, and their pride - which all fit into Kosovo. It may seem foolish to some Westerners to focus on these factors, but as it has been said - Serbs are very concerned about all these things, perhaps more concerned than they are about money or standard of living.

Sure Serbia could forget the whole thing, join EU, and live happily ever after - if all it cared about is money and economy. To look at conflicts who have to recognize the underlying natinal culture and sentiments.

You think China really needs Taiwan or Russia needs Chechnya or Georgia needs Abkhazia or Moldova needs Transdnieter all that much merely from an economic point of view? Territorial integrity must be upheld at all times, because if it starts to crack then there is nothing to keep it from crumbling completely.



Originally posted by yanchek
Third. Kosovo is becoming a sovereign and independant country. The real problems for them are just starting. Without the common enemy (Serbs), they can (and probably will) quickly return to their family/tribal disputes. The future will be very interesting.


I do agree with that. Especially given the fact than many Kosovo Albanians are more concerned with building ties with corrupt Albania rather than focus on their future with EU. Again - it is not about money for them, but about nationalism towards Greater Albania. The tribal heritage of Albanians has caused numerous issues in Macedonia in recent decade.



Originally posted by yanchek
Fourth. There are lots of talking that Kosovo and Albania will be united in some time in the future. That is quite unreal since Albanians (in Albania) do not like Kosovars. They think of them as lesser Albanians (and have quite a few colourfull names for Kosovars).


While that may be true, Ithrough many recent conflicts (like Nagorno Karabakh) I find that there seems to be some common solidarity between all Turkic peoples, even though they have major differences among them and were never really all that similar.



Originally posted by yanchek
Fifth. The security of the region is quite worying. I was talking the other day with one of my friends who knows quite a few Albanians in my country and he congratulated one of them for independence. The reply he received was "Our time has not come yet". The guy who made this statement is an Albanian from Macedonia.


Ahh yes. Macedonia had its issues immediately following the NATO intervention in Kosovo, but the rebels were largely dealt with because NATO didn't interfere there. Now that the Albanians and pro-Albanian militants have their own gangster paradise right near Macedonia, they will likely start funneling funds and insurgents into Macedonia. In addition to this there are still several cities in Serbia outside of Kosovo, where Albanians are the vast majority. That is the problem - you give the dog a bone and it will bite your arm off. Albanians will not be satisfied. Just like some Palestinians will not be satisfied even if Israel return West Banka to them in addition to Gaza. Aiming to satisfy these extremists only fuels their ambitions.



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 05:31 PM
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This does not even seem like a major insurection by the Serbs. If NATO is having problem containing this and what has happened throughout the region so far, I am convinced that they won't be able to stop the Serbs is the Serbian government decides to move into Serbian regions in Kosovo full force (even if it does so without Russia). I am not saying or predicting that the Serb government will do this, but technically there is little stopping them. NATO "peacekeepers" have shown their worth - or the lack thereof - time and again.

I do suppose that if Serbia annexes back the Serb-populated regions of Kosovo, it would be seen as abandoning claims for the rest of Kosovo once and for all. But all other choices - appeal to EU or appeal to UN Security Council - appear to be exhausted. If Kosovo is to seriously become independent, then Respublika Srpska and part of Kosovo should declare independence as soon as possible as well - while the momentum is still strong.



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 07:58 PM
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Hi/

I'm not sure if what I'm about to write fits in with the original post, but it does concern the Whole world on what is happening with Kosovo.
I would like to know if any of the ATS members posting here have read Russian and Greek prophecies concerning ''the Balkans'' ?
One prophecy says that a''Small Crisis'' beginning at the Balkans will be the cause for a bigger War...however, it does not end there.
Many other countries will get involved but it wont be good.
Do any of the posters here know of this?
I have posted this prophecy years back....the prophecy was written in the 16th century by a Holy Priest/monk living in Greece and he also prophesied many other prophecies that have come out without fail.
I'm sorry if I seem to be off topic, but I believe that all that is written will truly come out very soon.....and it does not look good for the whole world concerned.

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helen



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 08:37 PM
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I don't know about any prophecies or such nonesense, but I know that if something bigger does happen as the result of this, it will not be because of the Balkans.

Some people suggest that WWI started in Serbia because of Serbia. That is wrongful thinking. Yes Serbia was the spark, but the war started because of a large convergence of reasons - large alliances, malicious nationalism, rapid development of new weapons, disintegrating "old empires" and monarchies. It just so happened that the spark was there and not elsewhere. But WWI could have been as effectively innitiated by many other events.

Same is happening today. Kosovo may be a spark, but it itself is hardly the world's problem. The concern is not that nations around the world will suddenly declare war on each other because of some tiny parcel of land deep inside Europe. I can assure you that will not happen, and there will be no large scale war. The concern is all the other wanna-be separatists around the world just received an implicit invitations to innitiate trouble. Thus what may result is many small internal conflicts that were present before and could now be reignited.

Thus it is a mistake to state that Kosovo/Serbia will be responsible for WW3 or for other Independence movements. The problem will arise because of the implications of independent Kosovo for the rest of us - key word implications. And Serbians/Abanians won't be responsible for these implications. Those who allowed this happen and made this happen will be responsible - NATO/EU/US.

[edit on 19-2-2008 by maloy]



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 09:09 PM
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Hi maloy, and thanks for your reply!

I actually do not see all prophecy as being in the spirit of truth,many of the prophecies are just nonesense, that I agree!
I guess it's easier to understand politics and its ways, rather then try and understand what our eyes cannot see and our minds cannot perceive.
History however is written down(although not all facts are present) and many people are still alive to attest to such,as it will once again be repeating itself in a horrific outcome!

Again, sorry for going off topic

IX
helen



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 03:37 AM
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I completly agree with you.

But isn't it strange, that yet again, in this area of Balkans such similar events are starting to happen, as they were 100 years ago? I mean, at that time Austro-Hungarian Empire annexed Bosnia and caused death of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Today European Union Annexed Kosovo - will history repeat itself in this way yet again?



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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Why is Bush so quick to recognize Kosovo's independence? Can anyone explain that to me? If we are to accept their independence, we should also tell Israel to give land back to the Palestineans. May as well just give land back to any ethnic/religious group that reaches the majority of the population within that region. Maybe they don't even need a majority of the population, who cares, Bush annoys me. Anyone notice he looks like a monkey with his facial expressions?



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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What Kosovo did is illegal. Because US is supporting an illegal act, this can only show more of the US agenda. The world is divided, if you look closely all countries who recognized Kosovo's independence are US allies.

Actually everything US did in the last 8 years was illegal. Starting with Bush winning the elections.

It was never about "independence". This is just food for the media to debate on. The real issue is that USA has more than 10.000 troops in Kosovo (aka an occupation) and is supporting separatists movements around the world and by this giving a blow to Russia who has big separatists issues.

It was never about Kosovo or its independence, it was about US expanding and pushing its own agenda in the world. The independence is just the excuse to it, like weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq.

And as expected, soon, conflicts will arise. This can create world wide conflicts since it fuels all separatists movements in the world. Thanks to USA we have a new problem in the world. How long will this continue?

Its sad that people fall for the "independence" propaganda and don't see the real agenda. USA should be banned from UN and isolated. Today, USA is a threat to world stability and peace.



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 01:19 PM
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On the day that Germany, Austria and Norway (a historically symbolic trio) put their signatures to the annexation of Kosovo & Metohija from Serbia, their French collaborator General Xavier de Marnhac has set up barbed wire fences and stopped milk and food deliveries to Serb kids in Mitrovica. Setting up a customs post and dividing Serb communities is an illegal act and a complete violation UNSCR 1244. To allow the KLA/UCK (or KPS as they are now called) to man this illegal customs post is plain sick. No other word for it. Kostunica was correct when he recently referred to the NATO Pact as the Fourth Reich.



posted on Feb, 22 2008 @ 04:31 AM
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Turkey launches ground operation in Iraq

Turkish troops have launched a ground incursion across the border into Iraq in pursuit of separatist Kurdish rebels, the military said Friday — a move that dramatically escalates Turkey's conflict with the militants.


So - how long until Kurdistan is independant and Turkey does not have military operations on their territory - just like Kosovo and Serbia?

[edit on 22/2/08 by Souljah]



posted on Feb, 22 2008 @ 05:27 AM
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If I were Serbia I would march in Kosovo with the Russians behind my back, it's the only chance they got.Since the independence is in contradiction with international law I do not think NATO would put up a fight with the Russian side.Things would even up then they would take it to the UN after that with Russian forces and Nato forces standing down.



posted on Feb, 22 2008 @ 06:03 AM
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Sorry, but this would be the worst thing to happen. As already been said, the US got 10000 men there, Camp Bondsteel and who knows what else. With a russian backed "attack" on Kosovo, the problems would quickly explode into a much larger scale.

What is missing is an outrage from the international community against the UN, NATO and the EU and i sincerely hope, the matter will be somehow solved diplomatically. Personally these times make me ashamed to be german.



posted on Feb, 22 2008 @ 06:21 AM
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www.cnn.com...

This look BAD!!!!!!



posted on Feb, 22 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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Earlier in the day, Russia's envoy to NATO warned the alliance against overstepping its mandate in Kosovo and said Moscow might be forced to use "brute military force" to maintain respect on the world scene. Other Russian officials sought to tone down that view, saying the dispute should be resolved peacefully.

ap.google.com...

I like how Russian officials beggining with Putin like to pound their chest, to later come back 2 or 3 days later and retract their comments. Russia is going to do nothing just keep complaining and whining like they always do.



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