The Top Secret US Military Space Program. Is The Future Already Here?

reply to post by COOL HAND

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Big double standard cool you can ask the thread op to come up with all sorts of real data to support his claim which you know is impossible but yet when someone asks you to do the same umm no i cant track all that..now you understand what Ive been saying. its impossible to get true data and we wont know the truth for a few years...doesnt mean this ships does not exist.

I didn't say I could not get it, just that the locations that I would get it from would be from the gov't. Trying to use gov't info to prove a point on this website is (apparently) never a viable option.

I also never said that it would be impossible to prove his point. In fact, I mentioned ways that he could. He (and everyone else here who has made the exact SAME claim) have not been able to band together to prove their point.

Of course no one goes after them for that, just the guys who try to debunk them.

Double standards indeed.

reply to post by mikesingh

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Well, I was thinking about this topic last night and here are my thoughts on this.

Squeeze the oil rigs dry and then start introducing another piece of technology
to make more profits. They are not about to give everyone cheap technology because there are too many people lobbying for the corporations. It is a simple
business strategy. The technology that have been developed in the black projects can probably give us a fairly cheap, clean and long lasting energy sources.

There is a little flaw with that theory. If our government has that technology then why not sell the patents to other more developed countries to make even more money then oil has ever shown us? Think about this for a moment, how much would Russia, China, Dubai, Israel, Britain, Canada, and Europe pay for it? They would have to pay out the nose and mouth for more efficient technology.

With the moon it's different. What else is there to do on the moon? observe the nice Earth-rise? what ever experiment is to be done by humans was done.

Saying "we are going back to the moon" is very different from actually going. Bush's presidency is over, he wanted to say something impressive.

Helium 3. That's one of the biggest reasons for the new space race.


en.wikipedia.org...

From my understanding, the US military, specifically the airforce, has a parallel program with updated equipment. It's called Project Blackstar.

www.aviationweek.com.../030606p1.xml

I've not heard anything about super advanced, alien tech used at all-always suspicious about those claims. From what little I've been able to find out, the tech could replace the NASA space shuttle program.

Why did we stop going to the moon? When we got to the moon we discovered that there were others based there already and so we were told not to come back. Not all missions to the moon actually went to the moon. So it would seem that both sides of the issue of us going and not going would be right.

The black budget military stuff is very real. The Aurora no doubt was seen about 18 years ago by a friend of mine who had taken a troop of boy scouts out to the high desert in California for an over night and they watched a plane like craft fly in at a very high rate of speed then slow down so that other normal fighter jets could catch up and then it lined up for landing at an undisclosed location. My friend was a Viet Nam era fighrer jet machanic, so I would say he was qualifed to describe what he and the boys say.

As for our going to the moon, if that did indeed take place it would seem that when the Lem landed and took off that we did not disturb the moon surface to much. It has been said that the engines on the lem were not normal rocket stuff, but advanced beyond what we admit to. That could be backed up since we have tried to develop a space craft that lands and takes off and we just can not seem to make it work. Interesting since we did it with the Lem so we have been told.

Another interesting tidbit is the information about time travel technology. If true, then we would not need any sort of craft to transport anyone to the moon or other planets, as all we have to do is set coordinates and travel via the time port to these places.

Of course this subject could go in many directions. But let us not count out that our sources have technology that is capable of doing some very intersting stuff and that most have no clue to all our capabilities. Are they real, I would cast my vote in saying yes.

On final word on things like black budgets and such. Once you get to a deep enough level of involvement, the need for money I think is really not an issue as the ego is such that doing something is more based on the power gained by just doing it would out source the need for money to pay for it. If we are to believe all the things heard about what goes on under us, above us, that is black budget stuff, well I do not think there is enough money in the world to pay for all of it to begin with. Just being part of the projects and being able to accomplish things and see them in use would be a powerful enough incentive. Their is already enough money being wasted on resources that we know about why waste more money of resrouces that we know nothing about. It really makes no sense.

Why did we stop going to the moon? When we got to the moon we discovered that there were others based there already and so we were told not to come back. Not all missions to the moon actually went to the moon. So it would seem that both sides of the issue of us going and not going would be right.

The black budget military stuff is very real. The Aurora no doubt was seen about 18 years ago by a friend of mine who had taken a troop of boy scouts out to the high desert in California for an over night and they watched a plane like craft fly in at a very high rate of speed then slow down so that other normal fighter jets could catch up and then it lined up for landing at an undisclosed location. My friend was a Viet Nam era fighrer jet machanic, so I would say he was qualifed to describe what he and the boys say.

As for our going to the moon, if that did indeed take place it would seem that when the Lem landed and took off that we did not disturb the moon surface to much. It has been said that the engines on the lem were not normal rocket stuff, but advanced beyond what we admit to. That could be backed up since we have tried to develop a space craft that lands and takes off and we just can not seem to make it work. Interesting since we did it with the Lem so we have been told.

Another interesting tidbit is the information about time travel technology. If true, then we would not need any sort of craft to transport anyone to the moon or other planets, as all we have to do is set coordinates and travel via the time port to these places.

Of course this subject could go in many directions. But let us not count out that our sources have technology that is capable of doing some very intersting stuff and that most have no clue to all our capabilities. Are they real, I would cast my vote in saying yes.

On final word on things like black budgets and such. Once you get to a deep enough level of involvement, the need for money I think is really not an issue as the ego is such that doing something is more based on the power gained by just doing it would out source the need for money to pay for it. If we are to believe all the things heard about what goes on under us, above us, that is black budget stuff, well I do not think there is enough money in the world to pay for all of it to begin with. Just being part of the projects and being able to accomplish things and see them in use would be a powerful enough incentive. Their is already enough money being wasted on resources that we know about why waste more money of resrouces that we know nothing about. It really makes no sense.

Obviously NASA is involved in work not made public. They are an Agency of the U.S. Federal Government, and as such are in involved in Classified Projects.

Now one theory which must be dispelled is that NASA is simply a public front for the "Real" Space Program. Rest assured that regardless of what is made public, or kept secret, NASA is involved with it. The Space Shuttle might be a front, but the entire agency most certainly is not. The NASA Astronauts, Scientists, Engineers, and others have done so much in the endeavor of exploring the heavens for all humanity, and should be acknowledged for such. They have risked their lives, and given them as well, so we could all reach out and explore what has fascinated us since the beginning of time.

If you know much about NASA, you know that the U.S.A.F works hand-in-hand with them. NASA is independent, but since both share similar areas of expertise, NASA has in effect been the Space Arm of the Air Force, and in fact the entire military.

The Public side of NASA is obviously the Scientific side, the "Black" side on the other hand is more DOD in nature, and rightfully so. We must maintain supremacy of Space not only to allow ourselves unlimited exploration free from the threat of rogue nations, but to also protect and safeguard the scientific explorations, and our orbital skies, against any and all possible threats from elsewhere.

Now as far as an Air Force Space Station in Deep Space, I could imagine the possibility, even though that is quite some distance for a maintained out-post. Even with the T.O.W's MACH-50 + speed, it would take around 9 Years to get into the nearest section of Deep Space. Of course we most likely have quicker means of long distance transport.

This is definitely an amazing subject.

I try to present logical perspectives when dealing with such subjects as hidden budgets and programs, UFOs, Kennedy, etc.

I read Dark Mission by Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Bara, and I have followed his theories since the days of Monuments of Mars. Over the years, i came to think that maybe Hoagland himself was spreading NASA secrecy theories just to keep the public interested in the space program.

Prior to reading this book I have come to my own conclusions about who we are and what our true origins are, despite what may have been written by man and sold as the undisputed word of the one and only god and creator.

After examination of NASA photos, enhancements of those photos, and having read Hoagland's latest claims, I too am of the opinion that NASA has more that they have shown us and that perhaps that "black budget" is how they are able to have duplicate space programs. As for the budgets and the numbers not lying, I will just say let the "buyer" beware.

It astonishes one to read the comments posted in most of these threads, blasting people for their own opinions. We all are internet savvy and can (pardon the use of commercialism) Google just about anything and find a plethora of information (true and not) and if proven false, give the source and move on. All this bickering does nothing to uncover truth, it only serves those that have something to hide to continue their agenda(s) in secrecy, while we all play mental masturbatory exercises in who can show the most poignant philosophical perspective as to why reality is but a dream.

Perhaps its time to wake up and get that the government is not here to provide health and welfare to the masses. It is not the emergency center that we can turn to in time of crisis. No, all that we really have is each other, and if we are bickering and fighting now, what will happen when real crises befall us?

Saving the planet is such a noble deed, but reality dictates that we first must save ourselves. In some cases the two are not mutually exclusive, so serving the highest good of one does also for the other. Don't you want to know what are true ancestry is? Would it be such a catastrophic shock to the human being to discover that, yes Virgina those are real spacemen (and women) in those UFO things, and some of them are the ones that created (genetic engineering) the human race.

Having the forum for information exchange and discussion such as A-T-S provides for us here (yeah, I know the ads pay the bills) such as it is, even real information would not mean that much as it is being analyzed and scrutinized like nobody bothered to do that research themselves. But please make a case for your disbelief, show dissenting bibliography when possible and that puts an end to the rumor.

What is the real reason NASA and other national governments would conspire to hide from the populations of the world, information about aliens, life on other planets, or proof of life on our Moon some time in our past? And Mars also? Can Mars really support life but not in a large area? Would colonizing spread the habitable area or destroy it?
Does NASA and/or the Military have technology based on Thomas Townsend Brown that provides true anti gravity propulsion?

Recent NASA THEMIS and Japan's Hinode solar instruments measuring and creating three dimensional data, and reported here on A-T-S, there are 650,000 AMPS cm3/s. Why aren't working on exploiting that?

I have questions, but not about anyone's integrity, only their knowledge.

I posted this comment on another thread but thought it would help here.It seems they are trying to stimulate a space race of some kind now. Im trying to find a link for this right now. Can anyone else find one? Please let me know.

Well it seems that its already beginning. I was just watching family guy on a timeshifted station that was probably playing in the west coast and they showed a military recruitment commercial trying to convince people to join the military space program. It claimed that they launch several rockets into space each month and make double the progress that NASA does.

I mentioned this before to someone else and they went all quiet like on me. Some if not most of the tech comes from here, but...the cream of the crop, the high tech, now there is a demand for that, no one else has anything quite like it. And as so, that puts us in a unique trading position.

How come every other scenario is permissible except this one? It makes me "marvel greatly"...

What's the real reason we suddenly stopped sending men to the moon?

Who can answer that question?

reply to post by theQuest

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I think the best answer to that question is not something in specific that can be answered by us as there are quite abit of theorries on the subject. I do believe however, that the reasons were kept secret because something was discovered that either defied conventional thinking or was deemed to be too much of a shock to come outright with it. An alternative explanation would be because they wanted to monopolize on the Helium 3. Its hard to say.

One thing is for certain though, i think they are realizing that it's going to catch up with them sooner or later so they are going begin softening the blow. They will find ways of getting the average joe interested in space for reasons they will deem important. If it is then discovered that they deceived us they will say it was because it was important for them to have done so and the people will believe it.

They will have their grand excuse and get to save face.

But if you ask me it is a necessary move whether its for good or bad intent.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this on this thread, but tonight I saw a TV commercial for the USAF. The guy in the commercial talked about his multiple shuttle missions and the fact that the USAF space program was at least s large and advanced as NASA's. I found that information surprising. More disclosure coming?

reply to post by disgustedbyhumanity

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Not a chance. The AF space program has way too much classified information. True, you can find some stuff online, but even then they don't go into the real good stuff.

Let me tell you what i think.

you dun understand.
99% of the problems of the cosmos has been solved.
It's not about exploratn, but adventure / development.
(and et rights)

Since all principles are known, (by all i mean 99%)
and all engineering tricks guaranteed to hide the details known,
public knowledge about 'secret' norm.

These 'faction/grp' vehicle can be unique so that it's impossible to comprehend.
If we encounter a grp/individual that has the same engineering principles, we simply redesign the wagon.

It's not about us, it's about you.


[edit on 2-2-2008 by smurf55]

This has been bugging me for I don't know how bloody long......apparently billions of not trillions of dollars are being spent on black projects, I’m curious as to where is that money coming from.....tax etc......and why hasn't the government....(puppet government) caught on to this....or even other countries.......?

At first it was 'illegal accounting labels,
now it's kinda forex speculations (deriviatives trading)
mirror raid server to sub

It's also a great way for charities to raise money
This forex speculation.


[edit on 2-2-2008 by smurf55]