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Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
1. Stimulus package. Much of the $150 billion or so they will be handing out will get spent almost immediately. Even if it is used to pay off debt, it will circulate through the economy and ultimately cause much more then $150 billion in spending. The tax cut portion will also allow small biz to keep more money. This money will either be spent or invested in new employees, etc, once again causing a greater increase in GDP than the amount invested in the stimulus. This is trickle down at its finest.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
2. Housing. I think we have about reached bottom on the housing crash. Fed is expected to lower rates again this coming week. This is going to make 15 & 30 year fixed payments quite attractive versus renting. People who were sitting on the sidelines will start jumping in. People who were going to have to sell may be able to hang on. People who couldn't have qualified to refinance at higher rates now may be able to. Overall, it will cause a very quick firming of the housing market.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
3. Dollar strengthening. Despite all the gloom and doom, I believe the dollar will begin to strengthen. Much more money, investment and available credit has been wiped out of our economy than the Fed has put back into it. Thus, if they actually still measured the money supply we would find that it has actually dropped. As foreigners realize this, American assets will start to climb in value. They will be buying our stocks, our real estate and anything dollar denominated to save them from their own plummeting currencies, thus driving up the prices of American assets, which in turn will spur more American Spending.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
4. Wages and Inflation - for those with no real estate exposure we will only see increased spending. Wages are rising, albeit quite slowly. Prices are also rising for most of the goods a lower income household buys. Since generally they already spend everything they make, they will continue to spend everything they make plus any raises they get. And yes most employees still do get raises.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
5. Presidential election - Presidential elections either bring the prospects of little change for those doing well or much change for those yearning to better. This will lead to great optimism for all as the year unfolds. Optimism and hope brings productivity. People will figure a way to make things better for themselves and the economy will benefit.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
6. Everyone thinks things will get worse. When consensus is this strong in one direction things usually happen in the other direction. 2 years ago, everyone was saying that you could never lose money in real estate. I wanted to sell my home, but wife wouldn't let me because you have to live somewhere. But the point being, when everyone thinks sell, you need to buy. When everyone says buy, you need to sell.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
These bubbles and subsequent crashes of various sorts happen about 20 times in the average person's lifetime. People don't understand that it is just a natural cycle and thus they make decisions that may haunt them for the rest of their lives. The world is not ending, the economy is far from dead, the dollar is not going to be worthless, so please make sure you think very hard and look at all the evidence before making a decision that will affect you for the rest of your lives. 30-40 years from now people will be talking about how they wished they would have stayed in stocks, they will still be waiting to get even on gold, they will be wallpapering their bathrooms with Euros, they will be ruing over the house they let go because they were upside down, and is now worth 10 times what they had owed on it.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
1. Stimulus package. Much of the $150 billion or so they will be handing out will get spent almost immediately.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
2. Housing. I think we have about reached bottom on the housing crash.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
6. Everyone thinks things will get worse. When consensus is this strong in one direction things usually happen in the other direction.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
These bubbles and subsequent crashes of various sorts happen about 20 times in the average person's lifetime. People don't understand that it is just a natural cycle and thus they make decisions that may haunt them for the rest of their lives.
Originally posted by mindping
I dont follow finances that close, when did we have our 1st two qtrs of declining GDP? How long have we been in it.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
High interest rates = inflation
Low interest rates = price stability
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
The record shows this is true, despite what all the "experts" say over and over again. Intrest is a big factor in peoples cost of living. When interest rates are low, people pay less interest and thus inflation stays low.
Originally posted by Vojvoda
you just ignore facts.
Originally posted by Anatomic Bomb
Thank you. I feel like I've been beating my head against a brick wall.
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
1. Stimulus package. Much of the $150 billion or so they will be handing out will get spent almost immediately. Even if it is used to pay off debt, it will circulate through the economy and ultimately cause much more then $150 billion in spending. The tax cut portion will also allow small biz to keep more money. This money will either be spent or invested in new employees, etc, once again causing a greater increase in GDP than the amount invested in the stimulus. This is trickle down at its finest.
How can you be sure that it will be spent on new employees?
2. Housing. I think we have about reached bottom on the housing crash. Fed is expected to lower rates again this coming week. This is going to make 15 & 30 year fixed payments quite attractive versus renting. People who were sitting on the sidelines will start jumping in. People who were going to have to sell may be able to hang on. People who couldn't have qualified to refinance at higher rates now may be able to. Overall, it will cause a very quick firming of the housing market.
Why do you think we've hit bottom on the housing crash? Please
explain.
3. Dollar strengthening. Despite all the gloom and doom, I believe the dollar will begin to strengthen. Much more money, investment and available credit has been wiped out of our economy than the Fed has put back into it. Thus, if they actually still measured the money supply we would find that it has actually dropped. As foreigners realize this, American assets will start to climb in value. They will be buying our stocks, our real estate and anything dollar denominated to save them from their own plummeting currencies, thus driving up the prices of American assets, which in turn will spur more American Spending.
I don't understand your reasoning here; why would this lower our money supply? Also, the govt has been furiously printing up more money in the last few years. We have no idea how much money is in circulation, because the M3 is no longer published.
4. Wages and Inflation - for those with no real estate exposure we will only see increased spending. Wages are rising, albeit quite slowly. Prices are also rising for most of the goods a lower income household buys. Since generally they already spend everything they make, they will continue to spend everything they make plus any raises they get. And yes most employees still do get raises.
Wages are rising?? Could you please tell me what your sources of
information are? Last time I checked, alot of people get about
2.5% COLA increase - which is below the cost of living increase.
5. Presidential election - Presidential elections either bring the prospects of little change for those doing well or much change for those yearning to better. This will lead to great optimism for all as the year unfolds. Optimism and hope brings productivity. People will figure a way to make things better for themselves and the economy will benefit.
We're living in a country where less than half the people vote. What leads you to think people will be optimistic? Most people I know are concerned about the direction our govt is taking and thinking that a new prez will just bring the same old, same old. I don't see anyone being optimistic, I think many, if not most, have lost faith in the system.
6. Everyone thinks things will get worse. When consensus is this strong in one direction things usually happen in the other direction. 2 years ago, everyone was saying that you could never lose money in real estate. I wanted to sell my home, but wife wouldn't let me because you have to live somewhere. But the point being, when everyone thinks sell, you need to buy. When everyone says buy, you need to sell.
Except that when you have no money and a very low income, you can't buy a house, or much of anything for that matter.
These bubbles and subsequent crashes of various sorts happen about 20 times in the average person's lifetime. People don't understand that it is just a natural cycle and thus they make decisions that may haunt them for the rest of their lives. The world is not ending, the economy is far from dead, the dollar is not going to be worthless, so please make sure you think very hard and look at all the evidence before making a decision that will affect you for the rest of your lives. 30-40 years from now people will be talking about how they wished they would have stayed in stocks, they will still be waiting to get even on gold, they will be wallpapering their bathrooms with Euros, they will be ruing over the house they let go because they were upside down, and is now worth 10 times what they had owed on it.
Originally posted by Vojvoda
Originally posted by Anatomic Bomb
Thank you. I feel like I've been beating my head against a brick wall.
. The problem is that Ben Bernanke believes that 'infinite' liquidity can prolong recession forever.
[edit on 29-1-2008 by Vojvoda]
Originally posted by Anatomic Bomb
Originally posted by mindping
I dont follow finances that close, when did we have our 1st two qtrs of declining GDP? How long have we been in it.
My best friend has been a broker for a major firm for 22 years. She has an MS in finance from a major league university. I'm pretty sure she knows what she's talking about.
Originally posted by Karlhungis
Do you honestly think that Ben thinks that? I just have a hard time believing that the people who are making these seemingly idiotic moves are really as dumb and blind as they appear to be.
Originally posted by Karlhungis
I think they are hiding something and know full well what they are doing. I don't think that Ben thinks for a second that lower rates are going to save the economy. I think that one problem is that our poor leaders refuse to be honest with the American people. It is a system based on lies and it appears to be coming to its end.