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Why arent you someone famous or Rich?

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posted on Jan, 28 2008 @ 09:40 PM

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
In other words, a "royal bloodline" doesn't mean squat if you want to get rich. Spending less than you earn means everything.

Absolute truth.
Of course if you want to be Rockefeller/Rothschild rich, bloodlines are an absolute prerequisite.

Let's not forget though, that you can be famous without being rich.
I'm not rich because I don't care to be, at least not yet. If wealth means compromising my principles, then I'll die a happy pauper.

edit for same old crap

[edit on 28-1-2008 by resistor]

posted on Jan, 28 2008 @ 09:50 PM
well, not rich and /or famous but better than that..
I am known to God
and glad of it

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no way enter into it anything that defiles, or any making an abomination or a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

posted on Jan, 28 2008 @ 10:10 PM
To blame anyone else besides yourself is pathetic. You are responsible for you, not bloodlines or ancestors. Just work hard and live life. Look at rappers (to use a great example) who, as most claim, come from "the streets" and then go on to make millions. This can happen to any of us (maybe not to the extent of becoming millionaires, but still). Plus, for every wealthy person, there will be someone wealthier ( except for the person on top
). There are, however, external factors that can greatly affect one's ability to make money, such as a lack of education, disability, and etc. These should not be used as excuses, though. Sure, as difficult as any one of these external factors may be, one should get over any and all of these external factors. Of course, though, these external factors cannot be applied to everyone. Rappers (going back to this example) are capable of coming from, supposedly, nothing and, thus, tend to have little education (of course, though, I am speaking generally). Even though rappers tend to have little education, they have the ability to make huge amounts of money (money that, interestingly, some college graduates can only dream of). The point is that it's all up to you, and not any other factor, in order to be successful. How you measure success is an entirely different question, though.

[edit on 28-1-2008 by they see ALL]

posted on Jan, 28 2008 @ 10:32 PM

Originally posted by scottr.
reply to post by Buck Division
Yea but what I think is that us Middle class human beings could just be the slaves making money for the rich. Thats why we work jobs that we hate, or work to many hours with little pay. Where do you think that money that you make the business go? Back to the government and the rich.

I agree 100%. Absolutely no reasonable argument possible, as far as I can see.

VAST AMOUNTS of money are passed on to the next generation, without any real limit. THAT is clearly NOT FAIR!

Here in the USA, the "estate tax", which you would hope would level things, is called the "death tax". GW Bush calls it "the cruelest tax of all", which makes no sense to me because clearly you don't have to pay it UNTIL YOUR DEAD! (Seems like the kindest tax, not the cruelest tax.) This is just one reason I think GW Bush is an insensitive moron.


Clearly, ScottR, the USA government thinks that Paris Hilton is a more worthwhile human being than you or me. With a $1 billion USD inheritance from her Daddy, Paris Hilton will live the rest of her life without any worries. She will live a gentle life of leisure, luxury, and happiness beyond measure.

I think it would be fair to give Paris Hilton $1 million USD, and take the other $999 million USD to invest for the common good. I know that is socialism. But it seems fair to me. (We are talking about Paris Hilton folks! Check here!)

She can keep her fame, undeserved as that may be. She is welcome to that. Good for her!

posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 12:29 AM
Well, without going into details about how on the News even the political candidates slamming one another and reportedly going broke (NBC News the other day) just reminds me of what has been going on.

But to explain to you with Civility and Decorum, I guess, I have to do everything myself, since I started late. Here is just one item I did myself:

There, should it make me rich and famous, for I am not even charging for it, and really only do it for a hobby anyway, or the way I was raised.

I suppose I could end up trying to Rap in it, or even you could try to, but then I suppose you really do not have permission except to play the music or song for yourself then. They seem to check out that music business stuff there before putting up the song. Otherwise, I try and do something else for a living. Read one time where 3/4 of artists get depressed and even some end up trying to commit suicide. Sorry, I am just not in a hurry to die because I may come up with something equally weird again some day.

The rest of the time it seems that if I can make money for someone else they might even hire me some knowing me better than others. Other people I have met won't probably consider me that far, unless again I can seemingly make that person money. But someday, perhaps I will just set up the equipment and play it loud, just for the heck of it, perhaps!

Well, one thing, I am not John Williams and write music for movies, or Stephen Spielberg making movies. But look at all the stuff going on since the Internet and those kind of places that host movies and music. Tons, and tons of songs nowadays. Ahem........................

And tons and tons of movies depending on where one looks also.
Bottoms up!

Oh, and someone just the other day asked me if I really wrote that piece of whatever it is music and and and yes, I did.

But then I would not expect a professional version of it with expensive studio gear recording it. Which reminds me, I do have a new sound card, I was going to keep using my old one, but I guess I have work to do again.

There are other professions where one can actually make money though, I suppose.

[edit on 1/29/2008 by AmoebaSized]

posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 04:32 AM
who cares? The research in academic journals shows unanimously that there is no correlation between wealth and happiness...none what so ever, despite what the marketing culture tells us daily.

posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 10:39 AM
mo money mo problems

posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 11:44 AM

Originally posted by AmoebaSized

There, should it make me rich and famous, for I am not even charging for it, and really only do it for a hobby anyway, or the way I was raised.

[edit on 1/29/2008 by AmoebaSized]

Clearly you have some talent. Unfortunately for you I am not invovled in the music industry in any way shape or form. (Philosophy and Religion here) However, I do have a few comments from a "joe average" (as far as music goes) persepctive. While I myself am NOT musically inclined, I will qualify that by saying my family, though not famous is highly musically inclined with many of them playing several instruments quite well and so I have been exposed to music for large portions of my life. Whether I liked it or not.

Your piece is very nice, and easy on the ear. But it plays like a score. As a stand alone it is missing something, and that something seems to be structure or a story. As it began I kept "waiting" for the "point" or the main course to begin, until I realized there wasnt going to be one. (it had gone too far into the piece without some sort of "swell") It did pick up, towards the end, but then it ended without a solid "conclusion." There was nothing at the end that made me feel the journey was ending, and then over. So, while beautiful, it lacked the satisfaction of a well told story. For me. However all of those issues are pretty easy to address as you clearly have writing ability.

What I THOUGHT was going to happen listening to the piece was that you were going to begin with that gentle reprise of the "Close Encounters" sort of theme and then pick up into a more contemporary, faster paced, cant really explain it cause I dont write music, but sort of rock, and then ending similarly to how it began, but less tentatively, with more finality. It has a lot of promise.

It seems to me you COULD work in the field. If you chose to, and if you studied the story telling aspect. If you wanted to get rich and famous you would have to make the music "speak" to people like me who need more structure and guidance through a piece. I know some fantastic "experimental jazz" musicians who are really top shelf, but their music doesnt sell for crap because it is too "out there" for "joe everage" listeners like me, so it has nothing to do with you talent level. It says more about our ears. Or you could just write scores.

In order to keep this post in line and on topic, I think that is how someone becomes "wealthy." They take their natural talents, the way the Divine has inclined them by nature, and they develop it. That way you spend your time, which is indeed a valuable commodity, in such a way that you enjoy the time. And at the same time you contribute to the greater good by sharing your gifts with those of us who have other gifts. Just living the life that suits YOU is wealth.

posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 04:43 PM
Interesting thought. Makes me think of destiny and fate. Is everything drawn out for us for a reason?
Trouble is, we will never know

posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 08:33 PM

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
If you want the truth, in America, then read The Millionaire Next Door, and its sequel, The millionaire mind.
-Doctors and Lawyers are statistically under-represented among US millionaires. Most of them live lavish lifestyles, and don't keep their income.

Many of these Doctors-and-Lawyers are insecure yuppies, in it for the prestige. They work 20 hour days so they can have luxury cars in their driveways for everyone else to gawk at. They work 20 hour days, leaving no time to drive their precious cars!

-less than 25% of US millionaires had a millionaire grandparent. Nearly half of all millionaires are the grandchildren of immigrants to the USA.

That excludes the 1% of millionaires who do have some sort of bloodline, mayflower WASP or not. The part about immigrants I do believe. Immigrants (as a rule) have a strong work ethic and lack the all-american obsession with image and appearance.

-The average millionaire married only once, owns an american-made car

Don't you mean a boring but reliable Japanese-made car rather than a Fix or Repair Daily?

averaging 8 YEARS OLD. They don't own a swimming pool, have never paid more than $150 for a wristwatch, and, if they owned a suit, bought it off the rack at JC Penny's.

In other words, they aren't flashy celebrities with biceps bigger than their heads. They are "boring" nerds who's idea of flamboyant dress is not a $5K Georgio Armani suit but a psychedelic T-shirt from the 60s. I have a feeling that most real millionaires have truly beat the system, and found something that they love to do (even if it's something that Society says won't make them rich) rather than wasting time pimping themselves.

Also, have these books surveyed the IQs of the average millionaires?
Or other sorts of creative talents?

In other words, a "royal bloodline" doesn't mean squat if you want to get rich. Spending less than you earn means everything.

And saving up for the future means a lot too. The government won't always be there to bail you out. The Royal Bloodline applies only to a very few super-rich families, not your average or above-average Joe.

posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 08:35 PM
I'd rather be rich than famous, or both at the same time. Some people just make it on their own not having come from rich/famous bloodlines. I was raised a working -blue and white color-middle class family(when there was a middle class) and am thankful to have not grown up in poverty. Even though my family didn't have enough money to help me fully with college and such, I found the best way for me to achieve what I wanted, the things and freedom in life, was to do it by myself.
Why aren't most people what you ask? It all depends on the factors and the hand that they were dealt really. Not to mention if they did make use of their bloodlines/famous/rich family.

posted on Jan, 31 2008 @ 02:31 PM
Thanks there for the feedback Illusionaregrander, but I just am not like her either:

Look at her paintings!

I am not a prodigy child!

Although to me the story that John Titor told is somewhere along with the future he told somehow, I guess according to me, in that song. A popup window tells the words of the song, but still at only 255 characters, that can not be exactly told either. The song is intended to sort of be the future according to him (JT) though, and only with the thought that perhaps it can be changed and the future be open-ended. But..............................that may remain a question with some people the way it seems some things are going for maybe awhile longer. Depends on how this world tells its own future and like anything (like even my song) finally fades into the Past.

But then there are those that can make a living at it like John Williams and Madonna or anyone of the other artists that people may hear about and support. (John Williams created all the fine music in movies such as "ET the Extratrerrestrial" and other scores in movies that people noticed making them remark about his music making the movies more than perhaps those movies might have been without his music used in those movies.) Let's hope it inspires other people also in other fields of endeavor to pursue a future that seemingly would seem to be more useful then just sluffing it off and ending up in a black hole whether it is positive or negative.

There are other such creative people who are much better at that in his/her field of endeavor than I consider myself to be.

But then, perhaps it is all -- in the mind -- so to speak -- in the end whether rich, famous, or somewhere inbetween.

posted on Jan, 31 2008 @ 02:50 PM
Oh, and just as a sidenote. JT (john titor) was on two forums that I know of with some threads started by him stating that he was a time traveller from the year 2036 from a parallel universe (the beginning of the song and the forums). When pressed to prove it, he stated that he did not want to prove it. It is a sad song, with the brass section in the first part, the Elections taking place over the years in the USA, the strings the sort of aftermath of those Elections. The ending of the first part is what Titor stated as to the future. All the time, his time machine (according to me) stated by him is going on with the emotions of what he stated he felt about being here in person and seeing it for real instead of what he stated as reading about it in old magazines and perhaps old movies and videos. The middle of the song is the aftermath after N-day and the rebuilding of Civilization in the third part and the people who state that "they are from 2036" and "we have your future to tell you" and "and if you must really know" with "we don't like you much" (in the future) with the ending of the verse of the music "We are from 2036". So the first part is john titor's "I am from 2036" along with a sort of musical version of his time machine, the future as it is told by him, ending in a brief N-day. The middle of regrouping afterwards, and the future civilization's people with the last part of the song.

But then who really wants to listen to it anyway? I know I have heard it enough.
The end? (of civilization as how anyone relates to it nowadays?).
All the emotions I guess perhaps, but in the end, it is a sad song like a bad story.

posted on Jan, 31 2008 @ 03:42 PM
Truly great souls have said that if a "true Saint" is born in your family, the merit obtained extends for 7 generations only. These Illuminati bloodlines thousands of years old only use this kind of propaganda to manipulate their own families. It's just one way of justifying their con-game scams are some kind of justifiable entitlement.

What is good is what causes the spirit to go inward and upward, what is bad is what causes it to go downward and outward. Pain, suffering, poverty, like it or not, draw us inward and take us away from this world of lies. It is said the ones favored by the Supreme Being are in constant distress in this world. I would prefer to be in constant distress than in the wretched condition of the rich. They think that have this or that or so much but in a heartbeat they will be in the worst pain life has to off and realize they have nothing and nothing will be going with them and their wasted their human birth.

posted on Jan, 31 2008 @ 04:21 PM
reply to post by scottr.

I'm rich but nor famous, so... yea.

Anyhow, there's no way everyone can be rich and famous, then the economy collapses or everyone automatically isn't famous because everyone is. double negative rule.

posted on Jan, 31 2008 @ 11:32 PM
Well stated there Reelview, and I myself really do not have anything to add except perhaps that if someone like me says anything to some of them (and I am not JT) then the only thing I have found out is that the particular person had their own plans and made those plans regardless of perhaps what any other person thought, and they were not willing to discuss it, still stating again that there is opportunity for anyone here in the USA. Sorry, but again because mainly of politics I do think that things are more than a little mixed up in this Country. And also in my opinion perhaps not meaning at any time to pursue giving those type of people any more, it was the other people who supported those people in the first place even though everyone does work that made them be rich in the first place. The names may change but the underlying currents of communication seems to always in a sense although the circumstances are different to be about the same. I sure the victims of Hurricane Katrina are still talking about it today, even in groups as seen on the News and still having to end up putting up with what or what not will be done concerning some of those people. Famous?
Enough of a concern to be brought up as a News Item on the TV News Program!

posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 11:42 PM
Do you know what we have here?

A classic example of the green eyed monster - Envy. Tainted with some laziness and lack of personal responsibility.

I get so tired of everyone looking to Hollywood or government officials or Bill Gates and pointing their greedy fingers. "Why can't I have that?" "What makes them better?" "Maybe their bloodline is royal and therefore I never have to work hard to get to where they are, because HEY my blood isn't royal."

And on and on and on...

Do you people think for ONE moment that responsibility isn't needed - no, DEMANDED - when you have such influence/wealth/fame?

The CEO of your job place didn't just 'magically' fall into the position when he hit age 21, I'm sure. If you sat down to an honest, heart-to-heart talk with him, I bet you'd be quite surprised at what he had to do - and how much he had to fight - just to climb the ladder a bit. And that's just a CEO, not Brad Pitt.

Good things DO NOT fall into the lap of lazy and irresponsible individuals.

You want fame and fortune? Then go work for it. Get up, stop complaining, stop making excuses, take responsibility and work for it.

If not, then look around you and grow to be content with who you are and not what perceived, illusionary 'power' you may have on earth.

This world already houses far too many kids in adult bodies. When will we learn to finally grow beyond this?


posted on Feb, 18 2008 @ 06:01 PM
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

I promised you a reply, and here it is. Imperfect, but sincere (for what it's worth).

What is the "reverse of luck"?
First, let me tell you that I was writing in my usual late-night »impressionist« style – meaning that I just scribble down whatever comes into my mind... But it doesn't come out of nowhere, of course. (The »truth« of any matter is often more transparent through such a writing.)

And I can tell you right now that there is a fair chance that my reply will muddle the matter even further (it will be clear to me, obviously – but likely to nobody else).

The expression - "the reverse of luck" - was a description of an eerie feeling I've been having: that my life has, somehow, at some point, become the mirror image of itself (the feeling is quite literally as I just said: a mirror image). That I 've been somehow travelling backwards through what my future should have been or would have been – until I reached a point when I am facing it again. But it's like the darkest counter-image of my own interior landscape and my most intimate aspirations that I could ever imagine. (In fact, I could not have imagined it. My landscapes were always brilliantly lit, true Arcadias.)

Take it from here and figure out the rest... ; )

And thanks for asking.
(No: really.

EDIT: I had to edit it somewhat because the actual terms had already slipped my mind... It took me forever to even find this post! (It seems one's own posts aren't available in the profile anymore - only threads.)

P.S. (a very late one):
Regarding the circumstances or scenarios that might have caused (?) this "reverse luck" situation... I think the point of departure of my "travelling" backwards into the ugly mirror world of my former light-filled world may be partially connected to the cooling-off of my heart, following a series of disappointments in friendship.
(That was a long time ago. And it's not at all bad to have a "cool" heart, as long as there is genuine and active compassion in it. It can be exhausting, however: at least as exhausting as loving "too much".)

But I've also had this nagging feeling, for a long time now, that my (and my family's) situation was somehow, as incredible as it may sound, caused by a sudden drop in good "karma" (I hate the expression, but it's the most convenient one at this point) affecting my entire family - just as it once protected my family and myself like a (literally) bullet-proof safety blanket. (I used to call it our "armour of the Holy Spirit".

Assuming (and I am not) that this little "theory" of mine is correct, I don't know what could have caused this sudden reversal. The people in my family are/were really extraordinarily kind-hearted (even if I say so myself), and not a little heroic, especially the women.

But now, that I think of it... I feel it could be connected with the ingratitude of two family members. One is a fickle-minded whiner (that's a no-no in my family) and the other one, although a true prince, can be shockingly selfish and petulant.

Still, even their ingratitude - or whatever it is - is only relative. The good tin them outweighs their flaws to the point of neutralising them.

Then again, maybe gratitude is even more important than we think in the "grand scheme" of things...

Or maybe it's just me.

[edit on 18-2-2008 by Vanitas]

posted on Feb, 18 2008 @ 06:27 PM
I'm not famous because I'm generally not motivated enough to do anything monumentally positive and I'm too moral to do anything terrible enough to be famous.

Rich? I get by with a degree of comfort and I'm quite happy with that.

I don't think the rich and famous (for the most part) has anything to do with "royal blood lines". History is repleat with examples of people who came from nothing and achieved greateness in every arena of their lives. There are also some notable and mildly entertaining stories of people who were born with the money and the connections to anything the wanted and managed to become nothing more than a laughing stock.

It's the man/woman, not the family.


posted on Feb, 18 2008 @ 06:40 PM
Money is not going to make you happy in the long run.

It's only a short term fix i think it's a distraction.

The most wonderfull human being's i have ever met were not rich.

The rich one's i did meet were fake and were as shallow as a puddle on the road.

Why was i not born rich and powerfull ?

Well maybe in another life i was but i learned you cant be the richest person in the graveyard.

Take care


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