"Bermuda Triangle" effect around Empire State Building

reply to post by ALLis0NE

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incorrect , a coil does NOT attract magnetic forces it interacts with it .

also your ` coil therory ` fails - because solenoids , relays and other switching devices in all manner of applications use coils - and do not seem to be affected

also electric motors and alternators contain ?????????????

up windings which act as a ...................... coil

how many lifts and other instalations dependant on electric motors are there in the vicinity ???????????????

how many are being affected ?????????????

Instead of going by what you read, go by what you experiment with. Have you experimented with coils lately? And magnets? I'm pretty sure I can tell you experiments that will PROVE that magnetic force is attracted to coils.

Ed Leedskalnin proved it with his experiments in his book "Magnetic Currents" as well! Ed Leedskalnin even knew the secrets of the pyramids, and made a megalith as well!

He found that with an iron loop of metal, you can circulate magnetic/electric force in the loop for EVER, perpetually, untill the loop was broken. When the loop is broken the magnetic/electric force is attracted to the nearest coil. With a light bulb attached to the coil, the effects become visible.

Basicly you can trap this force in a loop, and walk away for months, and the force will still be in the loop when you get back. All you need to do is break the loop to capture the escaping force with a type of coil.



You don't understand. Those coils are to small in scale to attract a huge amount of force. They only attract a minimal amount of force. Actually with ALTERNATORS, the more coils windings you have, the more magnetic force it attracts into it, making it more powerfull. You see, their SIZE DIRECTLY EFFECTS THEIR ABILITY TO CHANNEL POWER. Because of the physical limitation of those coils, they are UNEFFECTED by other coils.

Also, you don't understand my theory. The building is a large coil, it had the ability to suck electromagnetic forces out of pre-existing electrical wires. It would not damamge the car's coils and wires, but maybe its battery. It would only "suck out the electrons" so to speak.

Now imagine a very large coil. I mean the size of the Pyramids, Stonehendge, major Obelisks, and Megaliths, or even the Empire State Building, and the WTC. The would attract energy from anything weaker than itself. The size of them alone physicaly allow them to channel more energy through them at ONE moment in time.





Since elevator motors and most of the building gets its electricity from another part of the map the "electrons" are only sucked out temporarly and instantly replaced by the power plant.

Laptops would be effected though, since it runs on a battery. But if it was plugged into the wall at the time, then it wouldn't happen. Or if it was turned off.

The randomness of the effects is not unusal. Even Nikola Tesla admitted nature to be pretty unpredictable at times. Ever seen the movie "the prestige"?

[edit on 28-1-2008 by ALLis0NE]

LOL I didn't even read the OP's full article untill now and I noticed they mentioned 9/11 too LOL.

Anyway, the guys said the lights worked, the horns worked, and everything, but it wont start.

This is because the energy needed to create a spark to run a car is far greater then the energy needed to run the lights and horns, and everything.

This would mean only a minimal part of the car's total power was being sucked from the car, just enough so the car was unable to create a spark.



[edit on 28-1-2008 by ALLis0NE]

reply to post by michial

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Hi michial,
You know you have a good point here that I didn't think of. What if these towing companies are the one with some kind of device like you are saying?! That is really something to ponder...What kind of device they have is another question as well. oh boy, if that is the case and they get caught... however, It may not be this at all. it could still be something natural or government. Is there someone on ATS that lives around there? We need someone to do some snooping. Snooping and recon like in the Black coffins in Georgia thread...

This reminds me of many car remotes/garage doors not functioning about 3 yrs ago in Denver? A nearby military base initally disclaimed any knowledge but then acknowledged they were using a new bandwith.

Actually how it works if I remember correctly is ( the old key method ) the key completes a circuit to the starter using power from the battery. While the starter turns the motor over, power is also supplied to the ( primary or secondary I may have this turned around ) field of the coil which boosts the current that jumps across the gap in the spark plug. As the motor is turned over gas is pumped into the carburator which is turned into a mist by a jet. The mist enters the combustion chamber of the piston where it is ignited by the spark from the spark plug and the engine "fires". That is a simplistic and maybe inaccurate explanation as I haven't had to work on a car in years. It seems like what is happening is the initial flow of electricity to the starter is being interfered with. The remote garage door opener, remote starter, remote locks, anti theft devices all work on the same principle. Recently at a video game trade show a prankster was going around remotely turning monitors off. Same idea, nasty thing to do to someone especially if they need their ride. That's why I think the FCC should be involved. They have the gear to pinpoint the source of the interference.

The point of the article was that the vehicles would not start when near the building, but when moved down the street, it would start.

If this was caused by radio waves, it would more than likely effect a much larger area.

Also, the remote that turned off all the monitors was not as complex as you think. Anyone can buy a universal remote from a store, and program the remote to work with their own tv, to send the correct signals to your tv.

With the right electronic knowledge, you can simply make the remote send the "off" signal for every known TV in existence, in a short time. Almost like someone reprogramming the remote in a few seconds for every TV.

All ONE would have to do to avoid this, is cover their IR sensor on the TV with something, so it can not detect a signal.


reply to post by michial

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I think the starter was working, and turning the engine. I don't think the spark plugs were getting power, or enough to jump the gap.




[edit on 28-1-2008 by ALLis0NE]

Wow, I just went back and reread the entire thread especially page 2 with the comments and it just keeps getting more interesting. Anyways thanks but I have to log out for now.

I made a mistake about the electromagnetic theory, a strong magnetic field would mess with a car's computer system. See, a cars frame acts like a Faraday (SP) cage, which breaks up the charge, so it's mostly shielded. A strong enough electromagnetic field could however reflect off of the pavement or whatver else and hit the car from underneath. Then it would work alright after it's out of range. The problem with that is it wouldn't just be cars, it'd be anything electronic in the area. In fact, that's the problem with ALLisONE's theory. It only affects cars. If it was something drawing power away from devices, then phones, laptops, desktops, ect would be in trouble.
So I'm still sticking with my original statement, it's actually a radio wave. It doesn't have to be a strong radio wave, heck, cheap walkie talkies use radio waves and they get about sixty feet max.

Now this bit here:

So it seems like the article is also sensationalized as well. Big surprise there.

According to the Wiki article on RKE:



So, I guess the question is, what (other than RKE's) does the FCC allot that part of the spectrum for? Anyone know?

Are you implying that the Empire State Building is capable of decoding encryptions at least 15 cars a day on accident?


[edit on 28-1-2008 by ALLis0NE]

reply to post by PragueSpring

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Nevermind, just found it myself. If I read the graph correctly, 300-322 MHz is an Exclusive Government allotment (cue dramatic music) for "Mobile," "Mobile Satellite," and "Fixed."

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reply to post by ALLis0NE

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No, I was implying that the jamming freq must be found at or near 315 MHz, if I understood the article correctly.

reply to post by ALLis0NE

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Doesn't have to decode, just cause enough static that it screws up. this isn't breaking intoa car, this is causing the alarm system itself to screw up.

Remember the inverse square law when applied to omnidirectional radiation. If you move twice as far from the source the field strength will be a quarter of what it was, 4 times the distance and it's a sixteenth so relatively small relocations get dramatic results.

Radio transmissions are electromagnetic and the assertion earlier about coils is correct if they they have a permeable material as a core. Lines of magnetic flux get concentrated in the core compared to the flux density in free air.

According to page 2 of the article, the FCC has not received any complaints about this. I know I would have complained by now if I was one of the people who had to pay to be towed. I'd also like to know if two or more people had experienced the same problem at the same time. It would help to find out if the radio signal is coming in bursts at a certain time of day or is a blanket effect like a carrier wave would produce. Apparently it started after some antennae were moved to the Empire State Building after 911. That frequency seems to lie in the FM range which according to the comments and article is line of sight so it would have to be something that was on the roof of one of the Trade Center buildings. Any more ideas? Thanks.