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Originally posted by OrionStars
How could we? The buildings were disintegrating in front of our eyes when viewing video of that event? There was no sign of failure to observe except disineigration. Then all of a sudden it is rapidly disintegrating. The exterior 3-story high exterior wall sections were literally being exploded outward, directly due to the buildings disintegrating out from under them. Thus, breaking their attachments.
The photos of the WTC aftermath is why I know there was not enough steel left to reconstruct even two floors much less three of only one tower.
That is why I ask what happened to all that steel from the perimter wall frames, the facade sections, and all the other redundant steel used in both buildings. It simply was not there.
When the granular particles were analyzed, the results were astounding, for the amount of iron and radioactive elements used in radioactive weapons, such as DEW.
We saw some of the exterior attached two steel walls exploding off the sides of the buildings we could see.
I study cause and effect of physics and quantum mechanics, including electromagnetic energy. I leave the math up to those who enjoy working to prove their hypothetical formulas.
Then I study what works from their formulas when it does. I know Einstein's worked as did Tesla's and Planck's.
If people are looking for actual disintegrated buildings, then I highly recommend looking at close-up ground shots of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. They were full of disintgrated buildings after the US dropped electromagnetic radiation bombs on those cities.
Originally posted by bsbray11
So... all the columns laying around Ground Zero are only from the top part of the building? Or what? How much are you trying to say was vaporized, exactly?
So in other words you're telling me that you looked at photos and then compared them to some theoretical amount of steel in your head that you think you should be seeing. Right? Or did you do an actual count or something? It looks like a LOT more than 2 or 3 floors worth of steel laying around to me.
Maybe you just haven't looked hard enough in the photos? I've circled a big group of perimeter columns that peeled off together in the image below:
And are you sure you're looking at images from right after the collapses? Because they did start hauling that stuff out pretty damned fast.
There were extremely small particles of iron and other building materials, and some things that point to radiation, but those pieces of information still leave a pretty broad range of possibilities as to what could have happened to those buildings.
What specifically do you think provided the force in that case?
Well that's a problem, because I know for a fact that the numbers can make a hell of a lot of difference. Just because things can happen doesn't mean they will. But even before going that far, quantum mechanics is made up of a bunch of theories that are mostly pretty unproven and just assumed to be correct for the sake of practicality, for as long as they tend to be consistent with actual experimental data. Same goes for all other sciences. But you don't see anyone re-writing Newtonian mechanics since quantum mechanics was discovered. If you want to super-heat something to fail it, or destroy something with kinetic energy, on a scale as large as the Twin Towers, you're still going to have to operate within a Newtonian scale of energies and powers in Joules and Watts at least from all the energy that's going to have to be transferred into the steel, and evoking quantum mechanics isn't going to change that.
They work for what they were meant to describe. That's as far as any theory or formula goes.
I'll have to look over the other links tomorrow. But if EM radiation did that, then what did the massive pressures and heat from the bomb do?
Accession Number : AD0163561
Title : Method of Apparatus for Tracking an Invisible Gas Laser Beam.
Descriptive Note : Patent,
Corporate Author : OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF THE ARMY WASHINGTON D C
Personal Author(s) : Willett,Colin S.
Report Date : 10 AUG 1971
Pagination or Media Count : 4
Abstract : A superradiant transient-type laser material is added to a gas laser such as the CO2 far infrared laser and the combination is excited by extremely fast rise-time excitation pulse that induce laser emission in both the CO2 and the superradiant additive to produce a dual simultaneous emission. If the superradiant material is one whose stimulated emission falls within the visible spectrum, it will provide a visible tracer for the invisible 10.6 micron CO2 laser beam. The superradiant additive can also be chosen so that its wavelength falls just outside the visible spectrum where good detectors or image intensifiers are available, thus improving greatly the detection means normally available for the CO2 laser beam alone. A compound mirror can be used at one end of the gas laser cavity for enhancing the oscillations of both lasing materials. (Author)
Descriptors : (*INFRARED TRACKING, *PATENTS), (*COHERENT RADIATION, OPTICAL TRACKING), (*INFRARED LASERS, TEST METHODS), GAS LASERS, INFRARED RADIATION, TRACER STUDIES
Subject Categories : LASERS AND MASERS
INFRARED DETECTION AND DETECTORS
Distribution Statement : APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE
Originally posted by OrionStars
Since you indicate you saw enough steel, could you please point out all the steel you saw left after it was over beyond the photo you embedded? What you show in the photo is only part of the outside.
What specifically do you think provided the force in that case?
Anti-gravity and electromagnetic radiation aka DEW laser beam.
It is not simply kinetic energy (quantum). It is the thermal and kinetic engery (quantum). It is the effect of quantum on physical matter (physics).
In one photo, at one of the links I provided for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, an entire person left only a carbon mark on the steps because of being directly hit with thermal radiation. Another was completely incinirated from indirect thermal radiation blast. Then there were those whose skin and insides were so horribly burnt, because they were further away from direct and indirect thermal radiation energy. Direct energy weapons means they have control as to where they will direct the energy and nowhere else.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Here are tons of photos from various dates after they fell:
www.studyof911.com...
I didn't really have an answer like "laser beam" in mind when I asked that question, so, to be more specific, what is the actual phenomena that's producing the force that propels it, you know? Not the weapon. Like if it was a high explosive you might say a massive overpressures or something from the rapidly expanding gases rushing outwards (just as an example). So what exactly allows a laser beam to send massive steel sections hurdling outwards?
If you're going to tell me all this stuff that I've not once in my life heard, even as an engineering student, can I ask you what your educational background is or where you actually learned any of this?
The thermal radiation is from the heat produced by the actual nuclear reaction. How does that tie in with your EM radiation energy beam?
Originally posted by OrionStars
I have spent 6 plus years studying physics and quantum mechanics because of WTC not in spite of it.
As an engineering student, were you required to take any physics?
Originally posted by bsbray11
You derailed to how many steel samples NIST got when I posted a gallery of images showing the hundreds of thousands of tons of steel that was left over intact after the towers fell, showing clean and smooth horizontal slices in most intact core columns and failures at the bolts and shear failures on the spandrels on most perimeter columns. If you want to claim they were all different angles of some small amount of debris or something then that's fine, but we're going to disagree. You can even count the columns if you want, get a rough estimate of everything you can see (HUNDREDS of column sections, no doubt in the hundreds) and remember each of those sections probably weighs a good 10-20 tons in itself. The 3-column perimeter section that hit Winter Garden was said to weigh 22 tons by itself.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Yes, mostly just mechanics. I've yet to learn about the incredible building-destroying kinetic energy of photons in the gamma range. You've yet to do ANYTHING but just summon the name of quantum mechanics! Not a single principle or law or ANYTHING specific from you about what you keep insinuating happened. That's why I don't believe you know quite what you're talking about, at least in the same detail and thoroughness that I would like to have before subscribing to any given theory.
[edit on 31-1-2008 by bsbray11]
Originally posted by OrionStars
Could you please thoroughly explain the quantum mechanics of the laws and principles involved in the second law of therodynamics and conservation of energy?
Originally posted by bsbray11
Are you going to post your transcripts so I'll actually believe you might have an idea as to what you're talking about? Reading about something on the internet is a big leap from having to actually work all the problems and get a sense of the relationships betweens the variables. Even people in the field from normal engineering backgrounds don't have that much going for them most of the time, depending on what their job is.
Originally posted by OrionStars
That question is out of line. I will not publish that type of personal information about myself.
Now back to the topic of "I'm not convinced about DEW theories but..."