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If your conjecture is based on a knowledge of humans on a biological, chemical, and physical level than you have to avoid separating us from other life.
Likewise, all life on earth is related and built of the same blocks. To say we are more than a product of our environment, a vehicle of some sort, begs the question why make a bunch of other stuff too? Sure some of it supports us, but of all the worlds biomass, we don't need it all.
Originally posted by andre18
....not a ‘god’ an all knowing all powerful figure, …..
Why not? All of the interesting observations made thus far in thread have pathways of practical origin: i.e. advanced life form creates human, human creates computer, computer becomes self-aware . . . the pathway of logic already established here indicates that a higher intelligence form exists above each life level, and eventually scaling the pyramid one reaches the top.
Earlier in the thread a poster remarked that they would not mind purposeless bliss. I couldn't agree more.
Originally posted by andre18
I do believe that there is a creator of this universe of some sort just not a god type creator…..such a creator is recognized as all knowing and all power…..when logic is used to understand these concepts….these ideas of such a creator fall apart….eg…. an all knowing god can see the past, present and future which means god can see it’s own future and in doing so is tied by fate / destiny where it can’t escape it’s own future as everything it does is already determined and so it has no free will of its own….and if it can’t control it’s own destiny, it’s not all powerful because there are things god can’t do……
[edit on 6-2-2008 by andre18]
One simplicity which consistently boggles me for moments at a time is the very fact that the universe is here means somebody, somewhere, somehow already knew how to build it. Not the thought itself but the simplicity of the answer that a Supreme Power exists someplace if I'm here and can't explain it (which alone is crazy, since quantum physics seem to suggest that no matter truly even exists -- hence, there is no actual "place" to exist). This represents to me an ultimate-level of intelligence, the knowing of all possible factors, the full and complete understanding of that which by the created cannot even be comprehended. . . no matter at what level of vibratory ascension, for in the pursuit of infinity the taking of a thousand steps is no greater an advance than the taking of one.
Let’s say god is the creator of this universe and in which case the universe is artificial either way, you can give it all the supernatural abilities you wish, imperceptible, omnipresent, omniscient etc. this still means we are technology, this still means everything I’ve said regarding the universe is still basically true.
It is above, outside of, independent of the space/time continuum...It would have to be, or else how could It remain independent of the confining rules of the programming!
Can we continue to discuss the past, present, and future of this Being? Those rules may not be applicable on an Ultimate Plane, or Creator would be subject the same degradation/disappearance as we mortals, as the mortal universe. If God got old and died, to what Heaven would He/She/It ascend?
Then to continue the work of decoding reality's lineage using mortal guidelines may simply be futile, rationally speaking.
They may put two-and-two together and realize that their reality is not eons old, even though all of their current reasoning and even the archaeological evidence of their 'reality' suggests so. But that archaeological evidence was written into the legacy aspect of the program, those trillions of years did not actually transpire. There are no actual fossils in this game, for example, as the game itself is not really eons old, only appears to be from within the game.
So, morality could be the Prime Directive of our instinctive selves, to preserve life and avoid death.
And the highest expression of morality is love.