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Fatima UFO coverup... proof that aliens are associated with religion

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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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reply to post by Palasheea
 


no i dont believe it was the actual drawing either

it was a drawing that someone made that seen the original.


there was plenty of cameras back then in 1917 and this was a predicted event....dont ya think alot of people would have taken pictures ?...

here is an example of a pic from 1917
news.webshots.com...
Penka Mihneva and Georgi Mihnev Sliven 1917 pictures from history photos on webshots


here is an ad selling a camera

cgi.ebay.com... e#ebayphotohosting
1917 Vintage Ad Kodak Premoette Jr. Camera Handful - eBay (item 370015007313 end time Feb-16-08 17:53:29 PST)


where are the photos of this event ?.... i have seen them before, on the web ...photos of the anomilly in the sky ....but they are GONE ! cant find any anywhere.




posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:00 PM
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I'll see if I can find that photo again. Odd thing is, I saved it but now I can't find it. I do recall though that it was on an Italian website. Let me try to find it again.

Also -- very well could be that that drawing you saw was done by someone who had seen the original. Odd that it's not included in those books though.. nevertheless, that sketch done by that artist matches up exactly to what Lucia said she looked like and what she was wearing -- she was holding a crystal ball btw... and her skirt was short... not long -- the sketch shows that. A short skirt in 1917!!


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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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From what I remember, there were probably 60,000 or 70,000 people there, but not all people saw the "miracle of the Sun", and those that say that they saw it do not say the same thing, apparently some saw one thing while other people saw different things.

There are photos from that day with many people looking to the sky, some people in one direction other people in a different direction.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:04 PM
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Well, here's one. Lol, doesn't show much but they are calling it an "alleged photo" of it so we don't know for sure if it's really from the Fatima event.





Found more -- here's an excellent gallery of the Miracle of the Sun.
christcome.net...



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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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thanks for the reply

yes there seemed to be a little confusion on the testimonies

with something like this happening i think a little confusion would be expected

www.ufoseek.org...
Vallee Says Fatima Event Was UFO

even this article says the ufo was as years passed turned into the dancing sun and the photograghs of the ufo had dissapeared



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:12 PM
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thanks for the photos....keep"em coming...

here is an article that says alot of the photos were dismissed as frauds because thet were from a different event in 1921

www.time.com...
The Miraculous Pictures - TIME



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:14 PM
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Something that I have seen somewhere (I will look for it tomorrow) is that even before that apparition, that place was known because of the apparition of a "Moorish princess" some centuries before.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by Palasheea
 


thanks for the photos....keep"em coming...

here is an article that says alot of the photos were dismissed as frauds because thet were from a different event in 1921

www.time.com...
The Miraculous Pictures - TIME


Lol, no wonder those author's did not have those photo's of the MOS in their book then.

If that Time article is correct, and it sounds like it is, then the photo I posted with that red handwriting on it is from 1921 ... lol. Great find!



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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:33 PM
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yes i have seen something like that also and i had it in my bookmarks and erased it trying to clean up.

it was something like moon princess or celestrial princess ?

im gonna have to find it again



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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The town Fatima is named after Mohammad's daughter whose name was Fatima in her honor.

The town was named that during Moorish occupation back centuries ago.

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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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yes that time article tells me that none of the photographs are available to us...

this has got to be the biggest UFO coverup of all time.

i will keep looking... i have some other sources to check.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by easynow
this has got to be the biggest UFO coverup of all time.


I wouldn't say so much cover up as much as spinning the story to the benefit of the Church, at least in those days.

Surely more recently and nowadays, I'm sure the Church knows what real happened and is indeed covering it up.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by easynow
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yes that time article tells me that none of the photographs are available to us...

this has got to be the biggest UFO coverup of all time.

i will keep looking... i have some other sources to check.


But the photo's of the pilgrims on that day are real.

The Time article is only talking about the Mircle of the Sun ... not those photo's taken that day of the crowds... those are authentic and were shown in newspapers all over Europe at that time.




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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 08:14 PM
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yes i agree with you the ones of the crowds are probably real

one of my sources led me to this site:

christcome.net...
Fatimá: Proof of a Heavenly God and of Jesus' Divinity



my source also told me the photo you posted earlier is a photo from that event (the one with the red writing )


here is the closeup:
christcome.net...
Fatima Photo Gallery photo 7: The Solar Miracle (Contrast Enhanced)


that closeup looks like alot of ufo photos i have seen


my bad...i just noticed you already posted a link to this...good work



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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by easynow
this has got to be the biggest UFO coverup of all time.


I wouldn't say so much cover up as much as spinning the story to the benefit of the Church, at least in those days.

Surely more recently and nowadays, I'm sure the Church knows what real happened and is indeed covering it up.





i think they withheld important info and may have changed some things.

i think they may have done this so people wouldnt think about the alien aspect of the event

but when you read testimonies that there was a silver disk sighted and an entity appeared from it ...there isnt many options other than we have alien entity"s that are from God.

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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by easynow
i think they withheld important info and may have changed some things.

i think they may have done this so people wouldnt think about the alien aspect of the event

but when you read testimonies that there was a silver disk sighted and an entity appeared from it ...there isnt many options other than we have aliens that are from God.


Oh I totally agree with your post, until the point where you say there aren't other options than to believe that aliens are from god.

From everything that I have read, and has been posted by Palasheea for example, the people that apparently actually experienced and communicated with the being didn't give it a religious connotation. It was other people that 'steered' their experience into the religious context, or gave it religious meanings.

From what's on the Heavenly Lights: The Apparitions of Fatima and the UFO Phenomenon book that Palasheea's scanned and posted on this post, the description of the being is basically what you hear when people talk about their alien abductions/encounters:

* She measured approximately 1.10 meters tall.
By the way, I didn't know the Holy Mary was a midget. Or is this discrepancy overlooked?

* She had black eyes
* She made no facial movements
* She spoke without moving her lips

These are all features that we have been hearing about aliens, in particular the so called 'greys'. Black eyes, no facial expressions, speaking without moving their lips (telepathic communication).

I don't understand however, how you can jump to the conclusion that aliens are from god.

People - not the 'experiencers' - gave this event a religious connotation. How else would they explain what had just happened? Of course it have to be the work of god, the idea of extra-terrestrial life was ludicrous or not even considered or thought.

So yes, I agree that the origin behind this event was most likely alien, because clearly no nation at the time had the technology to do such a thing. But I fail to see the link for that the only explanation is that aliens are from god.

I understand that it's probably you driven by your faith trying to come up with a reason compatible with your religion. But objectively speaking, I do not see any evidence for this assertion to be made.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 11:15 PM
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Not so weird at all for that people at that time to take "whatever" event as a "religious" thing.
I know because i am from Portugal also.
That was troubled times. The country Government Untill 1974 was too closed, and do not had done almoust nothing at all to help "internal"/rural country zones to develope and envolve. The rural zones in Portugal untill the revolution in 1974, used to live almoust in a "dark age" status. The modernities used to reach only and mainly the Capital city- Lisbon. all the rest of the country was too forgeted by the powers at rulling.
In that exactly Rural zones, due to historical and cultural behaviours, people used to be extremly Bounded to religion.Almoust at a fanatic level! So it was not hard at all to belive, if 100.000 of that people, gathered already by some religious sugestion in a place, and seeing a "ufo" episode, they instead will think it was some "saint"!!
And the best proof for that was exactly the fact that there are so many diferent descriptions from that witnesses at that day. Diferent kinds and degrees of belive...diferent stories.

For me, Fatima was a Alien/ Ufo episode, And the Church have used very cunning way all the natural portuguese religious fanaticism at that time, to make the story strong, and twisted at will, just to give them more Faithfull ones! Because faith= more belivers= more power!!

Coicidence or not the last of the 3 childs that meet "the virgin" , had entered in a nun monastery, and "brain washed" by the priests to make a silence vow/pact...so she can't speak to nobody even when alone! Every time, rare ones, she spoken also to the public, or by letter, it was always need a "superior" authorization....weird don't you think?

But may be ArMap can explain all this better to you, because he writes much better in english then me...i look like a cave man or a ogre talking in english



posted on Jan, 27 2008 @ 12:41 AM
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we are asociated with everything, everything is associated with us, law of rlativity, later we relate.



posted on Jan, 27 2008 @ 02:16 AM
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www.cmri.org...
The Message of Our Lady of Fatima

there were many references about God and Jesus in the message of Fatima such as "do you wish to offer yourselves to God ?"



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posted on Jan, 27 2008 @ 02:33 AM
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Danx, that "rural Portugal" of "90 years ago" was so antagonistic to the Church and to anything that wasn't perceived as "socialist" that the three little shepherds (aged around ten at the time) were actually IMPRISONED by the mayor of Fatima, so they couldn't go to the meeting with "the Lady".
And very many in that huge crowd were people who went there to MOCK what they expected would be a non-event - including many journalists from the mainstream (also very anti-Church) media. And it was them who reported about what happened.

And besides... what does "90 years ago" mean?
The cathedrals of Europe were built 900 years ago, the pyramids of Gizeh thousands of years ago.. and it was a "rural" man, two thousand years ago, who was able to (accurately) calculate the perimeter of the Earth using nothing but a stick - and his own mind.

That's considerably more than could be said of today's people and our oh-so-very urbane civilisation...




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