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Originally posted by irishdave
There was no catholic referals at all in the initial messages and the only time where we have any sort of religious connection (I'm speaking about the ORIGINAL experience and not the descriptions afterwards) was when Lucia asked the being where do you come from and it pointed to the sky and said the heavens.
Originally posted by Phantomfire707
Being a "religious claim" doesn't exclude other possibilities though, such as hoax accompanied by mass hallucination, demon influence(Revelations 13:13 !!), 1-in-a-million-chance that the UFO showed up at the precise day and time, schizophrenia, or actually being from God.
Originally posted by ArMaP
PS: it's Manuel, not Manual.
Originally posted by easynow
this is the greatest ufo sighting of the 20th century
this ufo was witnessed by at least 60-70 thousand people. there was a silver disk sighted and an entity claiming to be the mother of the universe and the mother of Jesus.
to me this is undeniable proof that religion and ufo"s are related in some way.
Or.. the undeniable proof that, just like throughout ancient times, people when faced with events and things they were unable to understand, would attribute them religious meanings.
This was 90 years ago, in rural Portugal.
Heavenly Lights: The Apparitions of Fatima and the UFO Phenomenon
What is crucial here was going back to the original testimonies and stories. Lucia, the primary "seer" ("experiencer"?), later entered a convent, and her story became progressively more and more attuned to the Catholic paradigm, her writings made subject to approval by Church authorities. The authors have put less emphasis on these later "official" versions, and relied more on the first reports. Lucia originally never said it was the Virgin Mary she saw, it was the adults around her that jumped to that conclusion. Based on the time and culture they lived in, how else could they have interpreted it?
i believe there was a huge cover up within the Vatican and the Goverments involved to downplay the incident
Oh there was a cover up alright, most likely to spin the event to the gain of the Church and it's religion.
The Church - or any other religion - would never downplay an incident that would benefit them.
some of the pics that i have seen on the web...i cannot find them anymore.
there was 70,000 people there and there had to be more pictures than we are being shown.
reply to post by easynow
Not every light in the sky is an alien manifestation. The Fatima events were not typical of ufos. The message of Fatima had to do with sin, the existence of hell, the need for repentance - strictly Catholic elements. Very far from the usual ufo encounters.