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reply posted on 17-8-2010 @ 07:01 PM by Phantomfire707
Dave,

A major portion of the *original documents* involve the writings and interviews conducted by Manual Formigao.
Manual Formigao was at the final two visitations of September 13th and October 13th (which includes the day of the reported miracle).


The interviews by Formigao of the 3 children were conducted on September 27th, October 11th, October 13th, October 19th, and November 2nd of that year.
The October 13 interview occurred hours after the so-called miracle of the Sun.

Formigao's interviews appear entirely trustworthy as they include even:
a) the responses of the children that contradict each other. (such as regarding the earrings).
b) as well as Francisco answering to the question of "When our Lady was over the oak tree talking...Did it seem as if she were not speaking...(and) did you see her lips move?" to which Francisco replied "YES"(she did NOT appear to be speaking) and "NO" he did not see her lips move, (and "no" he could not ever hear what the apparition said to his sister and cousin).
c) and a prophecy about the end of world war I that if not misunderstood/misremembered by Jacinta would be considered to have failed immediately.


In these same Manual Formigao interviews(September 27, 1917), Lucia is asked:
"On the 13th of October will the Lady come alone?"

answer: "St. Joseph and the Holy Child will come, and a little time afterwards the world will have peace."

question: "Did she teach you any prayer?"

Lucia's answer: "Yes, and she wants us to recite it after each mystery of the Rosary."

M.F.: "Say it."

Lucia: "O my Jesus, forgive us and deliver us from the fire of hell. Take all souls to heaven, especially those who are most in need."


This "Fatima was a UFO" conspiracy(born out of the works of the author of Celestial Secrets) tries to use the "original documents" mantra to twist Fatima away from a religious context....but the very SAME "original documents" the author of Celestial Secrets undoubtedly uses to build his case(Formigao writings included), contains information that without question demonstrates that the Fatima Apparition was a "religious claim" before the so-called miracle event of October 13th.


Being a "religious claim" doesn't exclude other possibilities though, such as hoax accompanied by mass hallucination, demon influence(Revelations 13:13 !!), 1-in-a-million-chance that the UFO showed up at the precise day and time, schizophrenia, or actually being from God.

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Formigao interview September 27th:
Question:"Did you ever ask who she was?"
Lucia: "I did, but she said she would only tell us on the 13th of October."



[edit on 17-8-2010 by Phantomfire707]


reply posted on 29-9-2010 @ 09:57 AM by Gliese581
knock apparition with sun miracles in Fatima style
September 11, 2010 message predicts Tribulation is now

knockapparitions.com...

The Tribulation has already started according to new message



“The Tribulation has already started and will not end until 2016” according to Irish visionary and seer Joe Coleman who claims to have received this and other messages from Our Lady and the Holy Spirit about the End Times on 11th September 2010



Ireland – Sunday 12th September 2010 – The 7 year Tribulation, referred to in the Bible as the period when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalise His judgment of the unbelieving world, has already started and the second half will take place from midnight 2012 to 2016 according to Irish visionary and seer Joe Coleman.



Coleman, who says he is an authentic visionary and seer for Our Lady, the Mother of God claims to have received this message from Our Lady and the Holy Spirit on Saturday 11th September 2010.



The message, according to Coleman, contains details of future world events, the arrival of a single global currency, the Anti-Christ and a one world religion. Another reference, to what is known to many Christians as The Rapture in the lead up to the Second Coming, is also contained in the message. The period from 2013 to 2031 if referred to as “The Trinity Years” where the teachings and theology of all the churches into one which will be led by the Anti-Christ.



Dublin born Coleman, aged 56 years, publicly predicted twelve separate apparitions of Our Lady at the Knock Shrine, Co Mayo, Ireland since 2009, attended by thousands. According to Joe Coleman “This is the first message I have received which actually gives dates for events leading up to the Second Coming of Christ on Earth although it does not reveal a date for the actual Second Coming itself, which has not been revealed to me.



“As a Catholic I was not aware what the Tribulation meant because the Second Coming of Christ is not something that is actively preached by the Catholic Church. Why I don’t know. This is the most unusual message I have received so far because the messages were given to me by both Our Lady and the Holy Spirit. And even though I have been told about future events in previous messages, most them simply warned of the urgency for people to turn back to God and to pray to avert world disasters. Now the urgency is even greater if people are to save their souls.”



Extract from the message:

From the Holy Spirit

“The tribulation has begun. The second half from midnight 2012 to 2016. The earth will witness major disasters. 2013 is of great importance.



The Trinity years - 2013 – the two stands for Christ. The zero stands for the Father who has been taken off the earth and is not talked about anymore. He is not honoured and glorified the way He should. The Father is not being honoured, especially on the Sabbath. Remember, keep holy the Sabbath Day which is Sunday. Keep holy every day the Father has given us. Three is the Holy Spirit who is here to prompt the people to think of the Father. God the Father has a great love for all his children but they don’t love him and this is very disturbing for Him. It hurts Him. Jesus Christ asks that we pray to Him and with Him. He will then call them his followers.



And they, his followers, will be taken up into the clouds at the great calling of the Trumpets. The Father loves his people but the people don’t love the Father.



The Trinity years. “2013 to 2031 there are 18 years – 666. The first 6 stands for the uniting of the currency of the world. The second 6 stands for the presence of the Evil One in the world’s leader. The third 6 stands for the uniting of all religions into one and removing all the teachings and theology of all the churches into one which is led by the Evil One.



May 15th 1948 - Israel was reborn (no further elaboration just this sentence)



Joe Coleman claims that the next apparition of Our Lady in Ireland will take place at Knock Shrine on the 25th September 2010 at 3pm.



For the full message Joe Coleman received on 11th September 2010 please see under Divine Messages. Knockapparitions.com is a not-for-profit website set up by volunteers who believe in the messages received by Joe Coleman and who pray for world peace.


reply posted on 31-1-2012 @ 03:54 PM by leoedano
Hey everyone. I didn't know there was an interesting topic about the fatima event until I tried to do a few research about the 'dancing sun' that I witnessed when I was a kid. I didn't know what exactly that was but I don't seem to forget what I saw up until now. I'm already 27yo and I'm not sure what exactly was my age at that time when I saw that phenomenon here in the Philippines. (maybe less than 4years old sometime between 1985-1989) I was with my sister, older brother, and my uncle when it happened.

Details I can remember are: it happened in the morning (not sure the exact time since I still don't know much about anything that time) , I can look at the sun without being blinded, it changes color and it blinks, it moves in circular formation clockwise/counter clockwise. I asked my uncle why is it that we can look at the sun straight without being blinded and he just said something that I don't recall. We stared at it a couple more times for few more minutes then went on playing afterwards ignoring what just happened.

During my teenage years, I still can't forget that event but I kinda told myself that maybe what I saw was just an eclipse of some sort. by year 2000 that we have the internet and can access all sorts of information, I was exposed to a lot of UFO documentary early 2010, and it never really occurred to me that what I saw was connected to UFOs until I tried to search for any videos of a dancing sun or anything like it on youtube and I was surprised to see that there was a video of it taken at Medjugorje. there was a similarity with what I saw vs the video at Medjugorje (the blinking and it happened in broad daylight) so I tried to google any related article about it and I saw this forum.

Now, I'm not sure if it's really UFO related or God related. I hope it's UFO related cos it will make more sense. I grew up as a catholic but that was because of my parents, they were raised as die hard catholics. Now that I'm older and has too many questions about the existence of God/angels/demons/virginmary/etc that doesn't have concrete proof, I can say that I'm Agnostic. You can ask me anything about what I've experienced, but I think I already gave all the details on what I saw. I'm sharing this so that maybe I could also get a reasonable answer about it.

here's the youtube video that was similar to what I've experienced: HERE
(by the way I noticed when It blinks, somehow i think it was like a morse code of some sort. please have a look.)


-Leo


reply posted on 31-1-2012 @ 04:35 PM by Erno86
reply to post by leoedano


Leoedano --- Welcome to ATS ---- The sunlike object that you could have seen..... could have been a classic Foofighter in its landing stage. I was a witness to such a sun-like UFO, one night, back in the winter of 1976; approx 40 miles west of Washington D.C. The approx. 1 mile away object appeared to be in a vertical descent {approx. 40 mph,} appearing beneath the low cloud cover and disapeared just beyond a high mountain ridge. The non-blinding fiery red-orange UFO, lit-up the whole Eastern sky and the mountain valley in front of us. It had a diameter of approx. 1,000 feet, with no fiery tail. It was one of most beautiful object's that I ever seen, with fiery red-orange plasma currents licking all around it.

Foofighter's

Erno86
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