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"Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws — the sun 'danced' according to the typical expression of the people."
Avelino de Almeida
"The sun, at one moment surrounded with scarlet flame, at another aureoled in yellow and deep purple, seemed to be in an exceeding fast and whirling movement, at times appearing to be loosened from the sky and to be approaching the earth, strongly radiating heat."
Dr. Domingos Pinto Coelho
"…The silver sun, enveloped in the same gauzy grey light, was seen to whirl and turn in the circle of broken clouds… The light turned a beautiful blue, as if it had come through the stained-glass windows of a cathedral, and spread itself over the people who knelt with outstretched hands… people wept and prayed with uncovered heads, in the presence of a miracle they had awaited. The seconds seemed like hours, so vivid were they."
Reporter for the Lisbon newspaper O Dia.
"The sun's disc did not remain immobile. This was not the sparkling of a heavenly body, for it spun round on itself in a mad whirl, when suddenly a clamor was heard from all the people. The sun, whirling, seemed to loosen itself from the firmament and advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was terrible."
Dr. Almeida Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University.
"As if like a bolt from the blue, the clouds were wrenched apart, and the sun at its zenith appeared in all its splendor. It began to revolve vertiginously on its axis, like the most magnificent firewheel that could be imagined, taking on all the colors of the rainbow and sending forth multi-colored flashes of light, producing the most astounding effect. This sublime and incomparable spectacle, which was repeated three distinct times, lasted for about ten minutes. The immense multitude, overcome by the evidence of such a tremendous prodigy, threw themselves on their knees."
Dr. Formigão,priest and professor at the seminary at Santarem
"I feel incapable of describing what I saw. I looked fixedly at the sun, which seemed pale and did not hurt my eyes. Looking like a ball of snow, revolving on itself, it suddenly seemed to come down in a zig-zag, menacing the earth. Terrified, I ran and hid myself among the people, who were weeping and expecting the end of the world at any moment."
Rev. Joaquim Lourenço
"On that day of October 13, 1917, without remembering the predictions of the children, I was enchanted by a remarkable spectacle in the sky of a kind I had never seen before. I saw it from this veranda…”
Portuguese poet Afonso Lopes Vieira.
In this interview, Jerry discusses (through interpreter Alexandra Bruce) the 1917 events in Fatima, Portugal with Dr. Joaquim Fernandes and Fina D’Armada who together have written a trilogy of books about the Fatima incident, its evolution as a factor in Catholic doctrine, and its parallels to UFO incidents reported throughout history.
Solar EMG and paranormal effects at Fatima, 1917:
Recently we had mention of the Fatima apparitions on the discussion list.
I found the following post on the UFO Updates list and it seems there is
surprising new information concerning these apparitions that seem to tie them more closely to UFO-like phenomena:
Fatima UFO-like Apparitions, 1917
In 1917, from May 13 to October 13 ocurred at a rural spot of Portugal,
Cova da Iria, near the village of FATIMA, a serie of paranormal/religious
events which turned to be spread and accepted around the catholic world as "apparitions of the Virgin Mary".
Among ufologists on the other hand, there are many who feel that the
events at FATIMA, in 1917, may have a close and familiar ufological
perspective. Jacques Vallée or Paul Misraki, were some of the researchers who suspected of that kind of related modern "unidentified aerial phenomena".
Joaquim Fernandes and Fina d'Armada, two Portuguese historians, challenged themselves to prove these claims, and after six years of intensive effort they succeded in assembling an impressive body of documentation and testimonial evidence that suggests new hypothesis to explain the so-called "Virgin Mary apparitions".
In 1982 the two researchers publish a 460 pages book untitled
"Intervenção Extraterrestre em Fátima - as aparições e o fenómeno OVNI"
(Amadora, Livraria Bertrand) ("Extraterrestrial Intervention in Fatima - the
apparitions and the UFO phenomenon"),which was reedited in 1995 in a revised version by Editorial Estampa, Lisboa, under the title "Tha Fatima Apparitions and the UFO Phenomenon".
This great work - the most detailed thesis ever published by Portuguese
scholars - on the contrary of most the foreign books about this event is
based on first-hand sources, original interrogations and statements made by the three principal percipients of the "apparitions", namely Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta and also a selected group of on hundred first-hand witnesses of
A few important and forgot issues of the 1917 events were uncovered by
Joaquim Fernandes and Fina d'Armada, such as:
1) - a "fourth percipient" namely Carolina Carreira, whom describes a
"telephatic type of contact with a fair-headed being of small stature who
instilled into her head a repetitive order described as follows: "Come here
and say three Ave Marias, come and say three Ave Marias...".
2) - a surprised description given by Lucia, the eldest of the three
percipients, when at the "Parochial Enquiry" she spoke of a "very shining
lady, about 1 meter and 10 cms in height, seming to be between 12 and 15
years old, wearing a narrow skirt, a jacket and a cloak, all with golden
cords, running through them. She came from "above" and vanished-gradually in the inverse direction, made no facial movements, nor did she articulate her lower lips, and moved only her hands from time to time. She had a luminous BALL in hand and she turned her back towards the percipients when she departed"
3) - the authors managed to determine the distance parameters of the
so-called "solar phenomenon" of October 13, 1917, from the witnesses
positions on the ground. J. Fernandes and F. d' Armada found that they were all within a band of 70 meters wide and running through the Cova da Iria area, center of that spectacular aerial phenomenon, called by the vast
multitude of people waiting as the "miracle of the sun".
This band, oriented south-north, contained all the witnesses who reported
secondaty effects only experienced during the time of the "solar phenomenon", that is to say at the moment when the
"solar object" descended in a terrifying parabola over the crowd of 60,000
people. The effects felt in that band were: 1. sudden and intense heat; 2.
drying of clothing and of the soil; 3. physiological effects or "miraculous
These kind of effects seems consistents, according some researchers, like
nuclear physicists James McCampbell and Jean-Pierre Petit (CNRS, France),with a "microwave radiation", also detected in preliminar samples from "crop circles" spots by the biophysics dr. W. Levengood. Others studies, conducted by the Canadian Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineering and the french Toulouse DERMO laboratories found a "hamming or buzzing effect" inside the percipients's heads produced by a microwave radiation between 200and 3000 MHz, known as "microwave auditive phenomenon", as well perceived and reported in the 1917 Fatima apparitions scenario as well".
Joaquim Fernandes University Fernando Pessoa Praça Nove de Abril,Porto,Portugal.
"The reported perception of an object or light seen in the sky or upon the land the appearance, trajectory, and general dynamic and luminescent behavior of which do not suggest a logical, conventional explanation and which is not only mystifying to the original percipients but remains unidentified after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making a common sense identification, if one is possible."
The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry by J. Allen Hynek, Henry Regnery, Chicago, 1972, p. 10.
IT WAS NOT A UFO
I went to Medjugorje and I saw the sun dance there as well. I saw other things happen just like reported at Fatima. It was NOT a UFO. I saw supernatural happenings with the clouds and other things in the night sky.
I've seen UFOs ... twice. Fatima was NOT a UFO.
Natural laws suspended. It was supernatural. Period.
Originally posted by hissisterpam
I'm not sure if the drawing done by Lucia was ever posted on this thread. As soon as I can get my sources together and find the drawing on my computer I will put it up, providing it hasn't already been shown and discussed. I can say that it looks nothing like any depiction of Mary I have ever seen and I was born and raised Roman Catholic. It's really quite interesting.
On October 11th 1917, Lucia described the 'lady as being one metre tall, about 12-15 years old, with black eyes and wearing checkered clothing and "was unlike ANY image of Our Lady or any other saints that they had seen up to then."
Originally posted by Arimbari
In my opinion all the religions are a "misunderstanding" of an Alien Event.
Originally posted by crowkey
Could this sun ufo have kick started the Spanish flu pandemic? Could the so called Angel Hair or rose petals have really been an ET bioweapon?