Defunct Spy Satellite Falling From Orbit

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posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 10:56 AM
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reply to post by V Kaminski
 


Question for ya (yea... you're the Guru of all things spaceborne lately, I know! Sorry.)
I have n2yo back up, and now it (the "debris") isn't coming near me at all... not for a visible pass, at least.
Should I stick w/ the original projections at sky and tel.,and look tonight anyway or just forget it?
And, yeah... how about that elevation 'non-change'?
Things that make you go "hmm...."




posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 11:08 AM
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Yup. Strangerer and strangerer... don't know. If the DoD footage is "real" that sucker shouldn't even be "showing" much if at all... I'm trying to scare up some data on the 1989 F-15 strike to compare... that was a pretty big "light show" in the DoD video. It "could" be unfolding exactly as sold... I just don't trust the customer service representatives. They've lied before... not that I trust the "other" folks either... maybe have a look if you get the chance Althea.

Damn strange the orbit is so static. It's over Moscow now. Wink.

Vic



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by V Kaminski
Damn strange the orbit is so static. It's over Moscow now. Wink.

Again, you are relying on n2y0 data as if it were telemetry data.

Why do you think all the astromers in the world are exchanging observations and compiling two line elements orbital data if they could just pull out the information from a website?



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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Listen, figure it out for yourself bud. I'm not your babysitter... but I "could" be ace. LOL. Yeah, hmmm. New member... token NWO post and this stuff... even got the jargon down. Display your talents if you'd like. I have no objection. LOL. I enjoy this stuff as sport.

Cheers, "netstriker", nice handle... considering the subject matter...

Vic



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posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 11:24 AM
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From : www.n2yo.com...

"n2yo.com is a website providing mainly satellite tracking Services. Thousands of objects can be tracked in real time. The software used for tracking is using mainly space surveillance data provided by "Space Track", a website consisting of a partial catalog of observations collected by the US Space Surveillance Network, operated by US Air Force Space Command (AFSPC).

From: www.space-track.org...

"The Space-Track.Org website provides access to satellite orbital data
received from Department of Defense (DoD). This is the same data, with
the same latency that has been provided by the NASA Orbital Information
Group (OIG) website for many years. This orbital data consists of
Two-Line Element (TLE) sets, Satellite Catalog Messages, Project Tip
Messages, Satellite Decay Messages, Predicted Decay Forecasts, Satellite
Box Scores, and Satellite Reports."

Get it?



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 11:31 AM
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So? You don't think some would follow astronomy? Hahahahaha. Whatever. I guess you are here to occupy mind-space with already disclosed data on a Thursday in the middle of the day. Wink. Go ahead though... might want to read the threads. No matter. Many are used to it... I kind of enjoy it. There are other private sites. LOL. What, no Keplerian data? LOL.

Vic



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posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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Sorry to be a noob here, but exactly how big is this satellite were talking about?

What kind of damage are we looking at if it does impact a populated area, excluding the 'hazardous material' theory.

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posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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It varies depending on who's telling. 5000lbs is what the US military has been quoting. It fits in a rocket fairing 10 feet in diameter and about 15 feet long for launch via a delta rocket. Launch 2006-57A if you'd like to look it up. Some say "bus-sized"... maybe a micro-bus.

Cheers,

Vic



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 08:18 PM
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And now for the panic to begin. Has anyone noticed all the earthquakes?
www.iris.edu...

February 20, 2008

US ‘Bending’ Of Atmosphere In Satellite Shootdown Raises Russia-China Concerns

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A most frightening report is circulating in the Kremlin today that states that the ongoing swarm of earthquakes occurring near the giant US Naval Base in San Diego, California, and the giant 7.6 magnitude earthquake hitting in Indonesia today, are direct consequences’ of the United States effort to bend’ our Earth’s atmosphere in an effort to destroy one of their spy satellites.

According to these reports from the Russian Academy of Sciences Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics in Siberia, and where Russian and Chinese scientists monitor the activities of the United States The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska [pictured top left], the American’s intend upon their becoming the first Nation in the World to use the abilities of the potentially catastrophic quantum particle beam accelerators now being developed, but never tested, in real-time’ experiments.

The exact plan’ of the United States, these reports state, is to use what is termed as a triangulation’ of quantum particle beams originating from their HARRP facility in Alaska, their vast Naval Base in California, and their secretive Indian Ocean base on the Diego Garcia atoll, to alter the space-time continuum’ of our Earth’s electro plasma sheathing in order to lift’ the magnetosphere into the orbit of their orbiting spy satellite so that it will cease its space orbiting and be destroyed.

It must be understood that the complexities of these new quantum weapons systems stagger the human mind in trying to understand them, but to their potential to cause horrific destruction there is no doubt, and as previously warned about by the former United States Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, and who stated in his book, "Between Two Ages", that:

"Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised... Techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."

To the success of this United States attempt to use these new types of quantum weapons systems it is not in our knowing, but many Chinese Scientists are already blaming these American experiments with these weapons as being responsible for the catastrophic snow storms to hit their Nation, and which many of them state were in retaliation for China’s threat to dump all of their US Dollar holdings.

Chinese and Russian Leaders have also issued warnings’ to the Americans against conducting these tests, but with both of these Nations knowing that their own quantum weapons systems, though not tested, could be used against the US in retaliation should the Americans not heed their growing concerns.

It is also interesting to note that the exact timing of this quantum weapons test, by the Americans, is coinciding with the last Total Lunar Eclipse until 2010, and which these reports state the US is dependent upon in their belief that the pull’ being exerted upon our Earth from the Moon during this eclipse will mitigate’ any potentially catastrophic effects that may occur.

It is also being reported in the United States that their Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has issued to all of their local police and fire departments, Nationwide, a "First Responder Guide for Space Object Re-Entry”, though these reports state that the ‘most likely’ catastrophic effects of this quantum weapons test would be earthquakes, volcanic activity and strange storms.

21 Feb 2008 UPDATE: It is interesting to note that immediately after the US fired their quantum weapon system at their satellite, Norway experienced their worst earthquake in history in the

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posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 08:20 PM
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maestro.haarp.alaska.edu...
HAARP.

21 Feb 2008 UPDATE: It is interesting to note that immediately after the US fired their quantum weapon system at their satellite, Norway experienced their worst earthquake in history in their Svalbard archipelago, and which happens to be the location of what is termed the Doomsday seed vault.



posted on Feb, 22 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Guzzeppi

I believe this is the satellite that they are talking about.

www.reuters.com...

Other info on L-21:

mt-milcom.blogspot.com...

This puts the SAT at 57 degrees.


This is from page 1: Well lets give credit where credit is due. I called this as the sat on Jan. 26, 2008. Now future predictions will cost!



posted on Feb, 22 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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Satellite Descruction caught on Film - vid here

Not sure if any footage is up on ATS but just read this.

cheers

the explosion is interesting! And you can make the shape of the satelite out!

Fallout fears



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posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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www.gizmag.com...
First-of-its-kind dual missile test intercepts targets in space
November 18, 2007 Raytheon's Standard Missile-3s have successfully intercepted and destroyed ballistic missiles outside the Earth’s atmosphere, the first time a Navy ship has demonstrated simultaneous engagements against such targets in space.
Raytheon Company plays a pivotal role in the United States’ anti-ballistic missile program, supplying the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System with Standard Missile-3s (SM-3).
The dual missile defense test conducted earlier this month involved two SM-3 Block 1A intercepting missiles being fired from the guided missile cruiser USS Lake Erie (CG-70), while the Navy’s Pacific Missile Range Facility at Kauai launched the targets. The anti-ballistic missiles were the 10th and 11th successful intercepts for the SM-3.
"These successful intercepts add to SM-3's impressive flight test record and are a clear demonstration of Raytheon's commitment to Mission Assurance," said Frank Wyatt, Raytheon's vice president of Naval Weapon Systems. "SM-3 plays a vital role in protecting our nation against the threat of ballistic missiles." The SM-3 is being developed as part of the Missile Defense Agency's sea-based Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System. The missiles will be deployed on Aegis cruisers and destroyers to defend against short-to-intermediate range ballistic missile threats in the mid-course phase of flight. Raytheon also is developing the kinetic warhead for SM-3.
Anti-ballistic missiles have been very effective against tactical ballistic missiles, most notably in the current Iraq war. However, anti-ballistic missiles are generally less effective against intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) – a problem Raytheon seeks to alleviate with the SM-3’s space targeting ability
This site has all the current news, even the post of the futureThe Multiple Kill Vehicle is a transformational program adding volume kill capability for the war fighter. In the event of an enemy launch, a single interceptor equipped with this payload, will not only destroy the reentry vehicle, but all credible threat objects including countermeasures the enemy deploys to try and spoof our defenses. This many-on-many strategy eliminates the need for extensive pre-launch intelligence while leveraging the Ballistic Missile Defense System's discrimination capability, ensuring a robust and affordable solution to emerging threats. on the forums. I predict in 2009 we will be talking about this one.


www.mda.mil...

Sea-Based Aegis BMDS
A Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) is launched from the Japanese AEGIS Destroyer JS Kongo enroute to an intercept of a target missile launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility, Kauai, Hawaii December 17, 2007. FTM-1 was the first time that a Japanese ship was designated to launch the interceptor missile, a major milestone in the growing cooperation between Japan and the U.S. (U.S. Navy Photos)

And from a post on page one:Boeing declined to comment.

Separately, two U.S. military satellites used to monitor ship movements failed to reach their correct orbit when they were launched several months ago aboard an Atlas V rocket.

Officials are now trying to "nudge" the satellites into the correct orbit by using small amounts of the fuel onboard, but the effort is still ongoing, one defense official said.
Page 1 post by Guzzeppi-link 2 posts above for Boeing declined to comment




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posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 05:42 PM
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You can track the mess from space at this site, more showing than thought. Several large masses in orbit.

www.n2yo.com...
Under USA193 debris-then track it





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