Crossing Northern Quebec, NB, NS maybe PEI...

Cheers,

Vic

"If" there was 1000lbs of hydrazine in liquid form on this 5000lb satellite, I think I can make a reasonable case that the tank was not pierced... it could be leaking but no great hole.

Had the Raytheon EKV punctured the tank the orbit immediately should have lost energy and perhaps deviated a degree or two. The impact energy whether head on or from the rear would be significant. Pressure vessels don't like shocks or holes, they tend to explode and more so in a vacuum.

Over the Pacific a minute or four ago, it's altitude was 152.27 statute miles (at the lowest point on the orbit) and it's velocity is 4.68 miles per second. The mass loss of 20% should lessen both the velocity and altitude as gravity remains the same 9.8 meters per second per second. These numbers do show some progression... infinitesmal and not that out of line from many have been observing. Hmph.

I think we could see another shot maybe. It's definitely still up there, it hasn't broken up or n2yo wouldn't track it. I could be completely wrong.

DWW and FredT have raised some interesting points. This Morel guy at DoD did say test... and now that I think of it it didn't "sound" like he had misspoken and corrected himself. It seemed deliberate and he corrected himself. Total "OP". We're being "done". LOL. What if...

Over the Alaska panhandle now...

Vic

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The hydrazine is under extreme pressure when used... 4600PSI is not that radical especially with a heater/boiler setup to boost pressure when the tanks are low. If some smart fellow made it of Be instead of Ti? A bit more maybe. It could be lighter. The EADS Ti ones are a sixteenth of an inch thick. Be would be thicker. It could be lighter but it's no fun to work with. Ti ain't that fun either. Pressure vessels are almost always round because it spreads the load evenly. Space-wise they are incredibly wasteful. Very neccessary to have that shape as it's the lightest.

Satellites are only robust contstruction in the sense of it's launch configuration and mostly vibration related. On orbit strength is a non-issue. The balance of a sat is as lightweight as money can buy. Not much but exotics and composites and "nifty" chips and proprietary "whiz bang". Satellites are pretty flimsy... only just enough material to do the job. Leaves lotsa room for "goodies".

The way I understand this impact there should have been an elliptical shaped (not quite) debris cloud from out one side and it should have nudged the orbit a bit. The direction and angle make a big difference as to what shape and where the debris should be.

The Raytheon EKV I've seen pictures of seemed about 2 foot across perhaps a bit less but not "big". Rocket thrusters on a block more or less. The fairing of the rocket that sent USA193 up isn't all that big... our 5000lb sat getting hit with any EKV that general size at those velocities should have either been smashed to smithereens or just gone straight through and create a cloud on the exit side.

If they hit the tank... It maybe shouldn't be there at all or the orbit should have shown some change. As for the debris falling away... it will more drift "with" depending on the direction of the hit. Those bits that lose energy will fall away for sure... those that don't lose energy stay in motion.

Once it hits 400,000 feet it will come down in an orbit maybe two. Right now, lemme check... it still is the same basic orbital velocity. Right now it isn't coming down for days...

I really thought a strike should have altered it's orbit. Pop a hole in a hydrazine tank should have seen hydrazine exiting and providing some sort of course alteration not to mention the incredible impact should have imparted some significant forces into it that should translate to some orbital change... oh well.

I sort of wonder if you get a few of these birds together realtime and make some 3D stuff... made in realtime. Nah.

Cheers,

Vic

[edit on 21-2-2008 by V Kaminski]

In response to those who have been pointing out that US193 is still showing up on tracking sites... could it be that those sites aren't using real-time/real-world telemetry data? What if the site simply has the orbit data, and what you see on the site is only what's been projected?

I pose this question because:

We are only assuming that the data on these sites reflect the actual telemetry.

I have software on my laptop that shows and "tracks" satellite orbits, but I have no equipment hooked up here to receive any real-time data. Matter of fact, that software works even when un-plugged from the internet.

[edit on 2/21/2008 by damajikninja]

Originally posted by Gools
But that's my point.
Everybody was watching the eclipse not the satellite.

They picked the one night over the next month that people would not be looking for that sucker.

Coincidence?
.

Au contraire! They chose the one night where the most people would be looking at the sky to make a strong statement and to help with the tracking/filming/photographing of the event.

Other question: did you too notice tv reception problems in Montréal last night? Many channels which Videotron receives by satellite were showing major problems. I think there was some scrambling going on over us...

Originally posted by V Kaminski
Your "sites" ain't my sites... what I post here comes from n2yo.

Interesting. How do you know what sites I look at? Guess what, I've been looking at n2yo.

What I get "elsewhere" is mine...

Too easy. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Provide the links or stop making the claims.

Um, you might want to look up n2yo and where n2yo gets it's data. Wink.

Do you actually believe that NORAD broadcasts actual live data from US spy satellites over the Internet on a PayPal supported site? If so, do you believe that such data would be real and not faked?

[edit on 21-2-2008 by Netstriker]

Here, talk to them.

The propaganda machine...
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Hope that embeds... from the "intercept" video... we should see a change in orbit... nope, no change. 171 miles altitude at 4.64 miles per second.

LOL. The US military and it's "supporters". LOL.

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Vic

[edit on 21-2-2008 by V Kaminski]