Defunct Spy Satellite Falling From Orbit

You will notice from one of my prior posts and the various articles the discrepancies regarding this satellite. They even admit that this is “probable” “may be the one”


Source: United States (US)
Comments: USA 193 is an American military satellite that was launched from Vandenberg AFB at 21:00 UT on 14 December 2006. It is a highly classified spacecraft, owned and operated by the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). No further details are available. In January 2008, reports emerged that a U.S. spy satellite, again probably this one was in a deteriorating orbit, and that the object was expected to crash into the Earth within weeks. Early reports indicated that the satellite could contain "hazardous materials", probably hydrazine, and possibly beryllium,though there was also some speculation that the satellite might have a "nuclear" power core, i.e. a radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Defense consultant John E. Pike dismissed this as "unlikely". (according to Wikipedia) On January 29, 2008, an Associated Press story quoted a U.S. Air Force general as saying that contingency plans were being made since intact pieces of the satellite "might re-enter into the North American area".
NFIRE


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U.S. officials are studying the possibility of shooting down the errant Lockheed Martin intelligence satellite that was launched into space for the National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO).

www.aviationweek.com.../NRO02128.xml&headline=U.S.%20Considering%20Shooting%20Down%20S atellite


I suppose shooting it will destroy any information that a hostile power could glean if they recovered the satellite instead of us. I am suprised there isn't a pretty definate map of the landing zone yet. I haven't seen it anyway.

161.35 just east of Puerto Rico @ 6:53pm EST

its dropped 1/2 mile in 24 hours

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Keep in mind, it is not by any means in a perfect (level) orbit...since your post is has actually risen over 1 mile in elevation in 10 minutes. You would have to compare exact coordinates at two different times to actually be able to say it has dropped so much in this amount of time. Is this how you did you calculations...because I don't think it is dropping 2640 feet/day....yet.

that height was taken 24 hours apart... as the satellite passed east of Puerto Rico.... that was the lowest point it reached each pass.

It will drop at least another 1/2 mile by tomorrow night same time....


I betcha a coke on it.

Specialists in spy satellite operations suspect it is an experimental imagery satellite built by Lockheed Martin and launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California in December 2006 aboard a Delta II rocket. Shortly after the satellite reached orbit, ground controllers lost the ability to control it and were never able to regain communication.

"It's not necessarily dead, but deaf," said Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and an analyst for various government space programs.

www.iht.com...
I started a search of Israeli newspapers, so far no hype. If this is such a big bad baby, why no news?
So far the DEBKAfiles and the Jerusalem Post, they list everything that goes one, including up to date information on our elections.

Scare tactics again?
Found 2 USA193 ON A SEARCH:
USAopoly Games
USA193: Century of Flight Aviation Monopoly $49.95 $44.95 $5.00: USA199: Surfing Monopoly $49.95 $44.95 $5.00: USA208: Mickey Mouse Monopoly $49.95 $44.95 $5.00

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BoardGames.com Games and Toys SuperStore
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Very little hype on the Durham Astro Board also. The geeks have other things to do.

I am sure you are aware that the military uses games in psyops training,
are we being trained?
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Big update. US: Broken Satellite Will Be Shot Down.

The Pentagon is planning to shoot down a broken spy satellite expected to hit the Earth in early March, The Associated Press has learned.

U.S. officials said Thursday that the option preferred by the Bush administration will be to fire a missile from a U.S. Navy cruiser, and shoot down the satellite before it enters Earth's atmosphere.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the options will not be publicly discussed until a later Pentagon briefing.

The disabled satellite is expected to hit the Earth the first week of March. Officials said the Navy would likely shoot it down before then, using a special missile modified for the task.

Source: www.breitbart.com...

160.33 over Puerto Rico


1 Mile drop in 48 hours.... wonder when they will shoot?

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I've been watching it for the last two nights. It's been dropping a little lower every night on the downward swing of its orbit, but going back up to as high as it was two nights ago on the upward swing of its orbit. And the orbit is wildly erratic. One night it came up the Eastern Sea Board every pass, the next it was over Alaska and Canada, then China and Russia. It was SUPPOSED to be in a stable orbit that took it over the Middle East.

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Wow that is interesting. Very interesting. The worst part is that none of us actually know for sure if maybe this so called satellite was one of the starwars sat's either. I just have a strange feeling about this stupid satellite, like something is being covered up about it, and figuring it only worked for 6 minutes total its not like there are tons of secrets on it.

Hilda

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In 2007 the satellite had no communications; the computer had to be rebooted. No one ever said if it worked out. I thought that this may be a decoy or training mission for the navy.
They do have other systems that will blast a ballistic missile,(said that 2 missles had been test fired but not when) NFIRE is one but has to maintain a low orbit in order to do it and MISTI.
This is our furture in satellites: www.space.com...
Some very interesting comments: www.satobs.org...


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The Russians seem to think that it has nuclear material onboard:

en.rian.ru...

Sorry if someone bought it up already. I just found that to be interesting because first US officials said it was no problem and wouldn't hit any populated areas (how the heck could they tell ), but now they're going to shoot it down all of a sudden.

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RTG UNIT, used to heat with plutonium. Prior post from me had qoute that this unit did not funciton, therefore did not decay into "harmless" atomic material. John Locklear and friends infer that an RTG unit would be to large for this type of satellite. They also stated on a Sulliven thread that most posters are baffoons, Skylab was much larger, and broke up.

So why all the hype? If they are testing something else, USA193 is a great cover story if something goes really wrong.



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Why NOT shoot it down? It's good training, it keeps any secrets from landing in the wrong hands, and it ensures that the hydrazine and any other materials dissipate before reaching the ground. I highly doubt this is some top secret star wars satellite. It's most likely a new generation Keyhole that has optics on it that we don't want to fall into the wrong hands. Shooting it down keeps that from happening, as well as proving that our Aegis BMD program will hit something besides just a test missile shot from short range.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Why NOT shoot it down? It's good training, it keeps any secrets from landing in the wrong hands, and it ensures that the hydrazine and any other materials dissipate before reaching the ground. I highly doubt this is some top secret star wars satellite. It's most likely a new generation Keyhole that has optics on it that we don't want to fall into the wrong hands. Shooting it down keeps that from happening, as well as proving that our Aegis BMD program will hit something besides just a test missile shot from short range.

The order apparently could come as early as next week to shoot it down, I personally agree, show the taxpayers that the money they spent actually went into something they paid for... shoot it down already!!! funny thin is, (and i don't know too much about orbiting thingys in space) but it seems to be passing over the corners of the U.S. borders... which may be the reason for not shooting it down so pre-maturely...

Just a thought

Originally posted by RickinVa
160.33 over Puerto Rico

1 Mile drop in 48 hours.... wonder when they will shoot?

Read somewhere they were waiting for about 150 miles because the ceiling of the SM3 is about 160mi.


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But why go to the trouble of lying to, or at least blatantly mis-leading, the public about the reason(s) for shooting it down?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
...it ensures that the hydrazine and any other materials dissipate before reaching the ground.

In the televised press conference held Friday, Feb. 15, 2008, one of the military officers present stated that the satellite's "dangerous" hydrazine fuel is contained in a "40 inch diameter tank".

One must assume that the tank(s) (allowing for the possibility that there are more than one fuel tank on board) would be pressurized to insure proper function in zero gravity.

One could also assume that the tank(s) is/are still relatively full, since the satellite "went deaf", and therefore became uncotrollable, within minutes of its launch.

The likelyhood of a pressurized 40" diameter (limited surface area available for heat dissipation) tank, filled with highly volitile rocket fuel, surviving an uncontrolled re-entry through the atmosphere, Without exploding due to internal over-pressurization! is virtually Nil.

To expect such a tank to survive undamaged and retaining any of its contents through its descent to Earth, is foolishness unbecoming a resposible authority.

To posit the potential danger that, having survived the inferno of an uncontrolled re-entry, intact, and an unmitigated impact with the earth's surface at terminal velocity, such that there could be enough of the hazardous material to pose even the slightest threat....

THAT is pure, bald-faced, fear-mongering of the Highest Order!


And speaks to an undisclosed, and perhaps sinister, agenda.

Everyone, including the Russians and the Chinese, knows that this is a recently lauched (therefore most likely "State-of-the-Art") US spy-sat. Our interest in ensuring that its "secrets" remain secret, is a suprise to no one, assuredly.

To claim that this extrordinary effort has been undertaken to protect the public from 1000lbs of orbiting hydrazine is to play, quite cynically, on the public's lack of scientific knowledge and comprehension.


The government is once again showing its contempt for its citizens,


and playing us for Fools.

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They're waiting for the shuttle to come down before they take the shot. She comes home on Monday. The orbit of the two come very close to each other at times.

If the government wants to claim it's for the hydrazine so what. How do you KNOW that the tank is going to not survive reentry? Stranger things have happened than that.

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Well said; everyone knows it's a spy satellite. They aren't trying to say it's grandma's oven full of freshly baked cookies - it's a damn spy satellite.

Someone mentioned RTGs a little while back in regard to the nuclear material. If it's in orbit around earth, wouldn't there be enough light for solar power? I don't think there's anything that could be gained from nuclear material other than power generation, so that's what it's most likely for.

Although, when this story first broke, a lot of experts came out and said it wasn't a problem - now, Bush has signed something by his puppet strings to have it blown up. I don't think there's anything odd at all about that, but I'd just like to say "HAH!" to the so-called experts and pundits that came out and said it's not a danger.

I dont know if anyone else brought this up or not, but according to what was said on the News, they would send the missle out Monday but it would take it 4 days to hit the Satellite. Why? Why will it take it 4 days? This just seems strange to me, figuring that the shuttle doesnt take 4 days to get to orbit. That just seemed to me to be one of the strangest things they could have said. I know alot of things are being kept secret with this but why would it take a missle 4 days to reach the Satellite?

Hilda