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posted on May, 9 2008 @ 10:41 PM
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reply to post by heliosprime
 


Well you would have to accept the mark. It can't be forced upon you against your will. Try as they will, that as my point about social security numbers, Every american has one, but it is not implanted in your arm. It is acceptance of the mark they are trying to establish. Thus your social security number is established.




posted on May, 10 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by 12.21.12
reply to post by heliosprime
 


Well you would have to accept the mark. It can't be forced upon you against your will. Try as they will, that as my point about social security numbers, Every american has one, but it is not implanted in your arm. It is acceptance of the mark they are trying to establish. Thus your social security number is established.


The mark itself is the willing acceptance of a false religion that denys God will. All those who do not "go along" with the crowd and worship on sunday or friday have accepted the mark. Those who keep pagan holidays such as easter have accepted the mark. The methodology of controlling all global commerce can be SSN, etc, etc.


16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


And he causeth all Does iseem to indicate a forced mark..........



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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maybe its an actual mark upon the forehead which a bhudda puts after attaining enlightenment which i would find hard to believe as bhuddas and bhuddists in general are one of the most peaceful peoples, and in case you didnt know jesus was an enlightened person and he died for everyones sins making him apart of everybody so any enlightened person has really just found god in themselves. did you know that the church actually took out books in the bible because they thought they contradicted other parts but that was the point, the fact is god isnt good or evil it is neutral it is up to us we cant just rely on the half bible that was given to us because its missing major points and god woulnt judge us on things we couldn't possibly know, he gave us something its called common sense



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 06:47 AM
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It could also be that ignorant "ash" cross on the foreheads of catholics each year. Or perhaps "all" the above. Why only one way to "mark" the fallen?

Could the "mark" be;

Social Security Numbers
Drivers lisense numbers
Military ID numbers
Chips in the hands in Spain used for clubing?
Ash crosses for catholics
right hand only for muslims
sunday worship
ignoring the sabbaths
budda marks
hindi marks


Or anything the "beast" can use to mark someone? Why only one way?
Everyone always seems to be looking for that (1) gotta mark. How about all of them..................



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by heliosprime
The mark itself is the willing acceptance of a false religion that denys God will. All those who do not "go along" with the crowd and worship on sunday or friday have accepted the mark. Those who keep pagan holidays such as easter have accepted the mark. The methodology of controlling all global commerce can be SSN, etc, etc.


With regards to Sunday as being the mark of the beast, I think I have to disagree with you here. Sunday is just a time indicator, so as all the days of the week and all the days of the week are named after a pagan god. Even if you choose the day Saturday as your worship day, if you take a time indicator as a mark, then Saturday is the most evil day of the week. Saturday is actually Saturn's day. Saturn in ancient Chaldean is STUR. In this language, S was 60, T was 400, U was 6, and R was 200, a total of 666. Therefore, technically, Saturday is 666, the mark of the beast and the number of his name.

Although, it points clearly to 666, it is not a mark, but only a time indicator. In any which ways, no matter what day it is, it is still a pagan day. But, in our hearts, we know very well that when we choose a particular day of worship, we don't worship the pagan god that was named after the day, we worship God. Sunday was not actually chosen by mainstream Christianity, but because it is a day where people have their rest and did not work. It has nothing whatsoever to do with pagan worship.

You have to know what a mark is in religious terms. A mark is a religious symbol. This symbol or the mark of the beast should equal to 666. We should all focus on a symbol and not divert from this, otherwise everything becomes vague. This mark is then applied either on the forehead or on the right hand.

If you were to research religious mark, you'll find it in pagan religions. They have been doing marking of foreheads since ancient times. This is called Tilak in Hindus and Ash Wednesday for Roman Catholics. Both religions uses ash to mark the foreheads.

For the markings on the right hand, you can find it in most pagan religions, especially Hinduism. Try to research on these, I'm sure its easy to find them.



posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 05:23 PM
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It would appear you didn't bother to read the original post...........


Notice Deuteronomy 6. “Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and commandments… And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes” (vv. 1–2, 8, KJV). The hand is symbolic of actions, while the forehead is the seat of intellect. Obedience to God involves both actions (hand) and will (forehead).


Keeping of his "will" is the sign of a covenant between the house of Israel and God. A "mark" upon HIS people..............

So it follows that the "antimark" would be disobedience...........willful denial of his truth and commandments...........

For example closing down stores on sunday and forcing the breaking of the true sabbath "the seventh day"..........



posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by heliosprime
It would appear you didn't bother to read the original post...........


I did read it, so I answered accordingly to what you are implying that Sunday and Friday is the mark of the beast.

As you have said:

"This text clearly indicates the true mark of the beast is SUNDAY worship and denying the "old covenant". Keeping the Sabbath and the Holy days is a mark of GOD's people."

You did not elaborate the days are named after pagan gods and have only mentioned Friday and Sunday. So, to be thorough, I elaborated more on Saturday which originates from the name "Saturn". For your further information, I would like to elaborate more:

Acts 7:43 - NIV

43 You have lifted up the shrine of Molech and the star of your god Rephan, the idols you made to worship. Therefore I will send you into exile' beyond Babylon.

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According to the scripture above, who is "Rephan"?


REPHAN

re'-fan: A name for Chiun, the planet Saturn.

www.bible-history.com...


So, Rephan is Saturn and Saturn is Saturnday or "Saturday". According to this source:


It was named no later than the second century for the planet (Saturn), which controlled the first hour of that day according to Vettius Valens. The planet was named for the Roman god of agriculture Saturn. It has been called dies Saturni ("Saturn's Day"), through which from it entered into Old English as Sæternesdæg and gradually evolved into the word "Saturday".

en.wikipedia.org...


Since, Saturn is called Rephan in the Bible, and it mentions the "star" of your god, Rephan, then how does this "star" looks like? What is the distinguishing feature of this "star"? Let us look at Saturn:



We see a strange distinguishing "hexagonal" mark on Saturn's North Pole.

Now, deriving a "star" symbol on the hexagon on Saturn, we have this:



We have the familiar "hexagram" six pointed star on Saturn's north pole.

Now, what else can we derive from the "hexagram"?



We find an interesting combination of 6-6-6.

What more can we derive here?



Not counting the zeros, we find another interesting combination of 6-6-6.

In my previous post, in southern Babylon, in Chaldea, Saturn is called STUR. In this language, S was 60, T was 400, U was 6, and R was 200, a total of 666. Google this if you have doubts.

It seems that the number 666 is tightly "knitted" to Saturn. It is very strange indeed that the pagan ancients were able to connect the hexagram to Saturn and 666 in its religious practices where telescopes were non existent yet.

Now, Saturn has the festival of Saturnalia:


In pagan Rome, the celebration of the Winter Solstice began on December 17 with the feast of Saturn -- also called the Saturnalia. Through December 23rd, the Roman world engaged in merrymaking and the exchanging of gifts in honor of father sun and mother earth.

www.carnaval.com...

At the end of the first century AD, Statius still could proclaim: "For how many years shall this festival abide! Never shall age destroy so holy a day! While the hills of Latium remain and father Tiber, while thy Rome stands and the Capitol thou hast restored to the world, it shall continue" (Silvae, I.6.98ff). And the Saturnalia did continue to be celebrated as Brumalia (from bruma, winter solstice) down to the Christian era, when, by the middle of the fourth century AD, its rituals had become absorbed in the celebration of Christmas.

penelope.uchicago.edu...


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Saturnalia was the celebration involving merry making and exchanging gifts.

Now, read this:


Revelation 11 – RSV

7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them,

10 and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.


The timing of the killing of the two prophets by the beast strangely coincides with the exchanging of presents and merry making of Saturnalia or the feast of Saturn. The interesting part here is that the celebration of Saturnalia was absorbed to the celebration of Christmas which is a pagan holiday in which merry making and exchanging of gifts were part of the festive season. Who was celebrated on this day? The birth of Christ. We all know that December 25 is not the birth of Christ but the birth of many pagan gods. Nowhere in the bible says the real birth of Jesus. People are ignorant of this true fact and they blindly continue on celebrating this.

Now, having understood this, who is this beast that people celebrated on Christmas in order to honor and worship him?


Matthew 24 – NIV

23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. 26 "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.

2 Thessalonians 2 - RSV

3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.


This false Christ will sit in the inner rooms of the temple of God and claim that he is the christ and god and will deceive many. Now, the celebration of Christmas is not Jesus birthday. Then whose birthday is this? It is non other than the false Christ, the false messiah who is called Saturn.

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posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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And his mark is? The mark in which people will be marked on the forehead or on his right hand is none other than the hexagram which can be found and derived on Saturn's north pole. The mark of the beast is the hexagram and the name of the beast is Saturn. His Babylonian name is STUR which when calculated equals 666, the number of his name.


Revelation 13

16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.


Now, we have clearly established the following facts:

1. Saturn has a strange hexagon shape on the north pole
2. The hexagram is derived from Saturn’s hexagon
3. The Hexagram when derived gives the combination of 6-6-6
4. The mark of the beast – The Hexagram
5. The name of the beast – STUR
6. The number of his name – STUR = 666
7. His festive season – Saturnalia which is absorbed in Christmas, December 25
8. STUR will sit in the throne located in the inner temple of God in Jerusalem and proclaim himself as “The Christ” and “God” himself.
9. The false messiah is the beast in Revelation.

Since the beast is the false Christ, how does he probably look like?



This is the false image of Jesus. Remember, Jesus was a Jew and Jews don’t wear long hair. Note the Hexagram symbol on him signifying his name as Saturn or STUR which has the number 666.

People will be marked with his mark on their foreheads or on their right hand:




posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by heliosprime
Keeping of his "will" is the sign of a covenant between the house of Israel and God. A "mark" upon HIS people..............

So it follows that the "antimark" would be disobedience...........willful denial of his truth and commandments...........

For example closing down stores on sunday and forcing the breaking of the true sabbath "the seventh day"..........


Saturday is your Sabbath day. So, going to your "context" that Friday and Sunday worship are the mark of the beast, then "Saturday" which is your worship day, as explained here, clearly has the number 666. This is the only day of the week which carries this mark. Unless you can show me that Friday and Sunday has the number 666.


Keeping of his "will" is the sign of a covenant between the house of Israel and God. A "mark" upon HIS people..............


We are talking about Revelation here. The word "mark" according to context of Revelation have a different meaning to "sign".


Revelation 13

16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.


Kindly note, to "receive" a "mark". This clearly indicates that people will be marked "visibly" on their foreheads and on their right hand to signify their worship of the beast.

Comparing to this scripture:

"And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes" Deut 6:8


It says here "for a sign". It did not say "to receive" a "mark". The sign here in this context is "symbolic" of actions (hand) and intellect (forehead). So, whatever you do and whatever in your thoughts should be the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments of God. Connecting this to Revelations is vague. It does not talk about commandments, statutes, judgments, covenant of God, it talks about receiving the mark of the beast .

It's a totally different context.



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 08:13 AM
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Nice research, so to be clear.........you say those who hold saturday as sabbath are worshiping the beast? And the star of David is the mark?

The intent of this post was to show the "mark" of the beast of Revelations was not a "single" act that everyone could point to and say "that's it".

God marked his people with a covenant as Deu indicates. It is logical to see the mark of the beast as the anti-covenant. However, in marking his people the devil is more jealous than the Lord and may insist on more overt measues.

I agreee the current accepted image of jesus is false. Thereby leading to the anti-christ being recognized and accepted worldwide. I contend that anti-christ will be muslim (the 12 mahdi) to be exact. There are already comparisons of OBL to the image on the shroud of turin.

I do also agree that "pope" will be involved in leading to the anti-christ.

But I do not accept the star of david thingy as the potential "mark".........

I will study the saturn thing............strange but interesting......



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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Your theory about the mark of the beast is plausible but not exactly true, especially since you include the Muslim population, who are exempted from the observance of the Sabbath Day, the reason is as follows ;


The word Sabbath is mentioned five times in the Holy Quran,the Final Testament of God to mankind, even though some people might reject it, nevertheless it is the Truth.

2:65 And ye know of those of you who broke the sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! -

4:47 O ye unto whom the Scripture hath been given! Believe in what We have revealed concerning that which ye possess, before We destroy countenances so as to confound them, or curse them as We cursed the sabbath breakers (of old time). The commandment of Allah is always executed.

4:154 And We caused the Mount to tower above them at (the taking of) their covenant: and We bade them: Enter the gate, prostrate! and we bade them: Transgress not the sabbath! and We took from them a firm covenant.

7:163 Ask them (O Muhammad) of the township that was by the sea, how they did break the sabbath, how their big fish came unto them visibly upon their sabbath day and on a day when they did not keep sabbath came they not unto them. Thus did We try them for that they were evil-livers.

And finally how the Muslims are not included in the covenant of the Sabbath.

16:124 The sabbath was appointed only for those who differed concerning it, and lo! thy Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they used to differ.

As for the mark of the beast in the hand and the forehead, it could be the sign of the cross that people make with their hands and sign on their foreheads during their worship, or it could be the micro chip that they say can be implanted only in the hand and forehead.

Ironically God's people also have signs in their forehead, mentioned in The Revelation and also has reference in the Holy Quran.

"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." Revelation 7:3

In this instance, the seal in the forehead refers to the Words of God that was preached to the people and whoever accepted the true words of God sent through His servants, the Prophets are sealed in their foreheads with the Seal of the living God. The Prophet Muhammad is the Last Seal and his followers who received God's words are sealed along with all the true followers of the Prophets since the days of Noah.

48:29 Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward.

33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the seal of the Prophets; and Allah is Aware of all things.

Peace!



posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 02:12 PM
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Dark Skies,

So you are new. Welcome to ATS.

I open your chi-xi-stigma image, it's not working. I looked it up and this is what I found, which I already mentioned in my earlier post, the sign on the hands and forehead , is the sign of the cross. The image of the Cross that people are worshiping is blatant Idolatry, the only sin that God will not forgive.


nhkox.homestead.com...

I can see no reason why you should connect the number of the beast with Bismillah ( In the Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful ) not the Shahada which you quote. I'm sure even you are not convinced with your own theory, and you shouldn't keep posting this in every thread you can find.
Whether it's your intention or not you are spreading hate for Islam, which I notice on this thread are so much already.

If you want to know the TRUTH, Islam is NOT the beast. It has it's own share of martyrs and saints killed and beheaded in The Name of God by pagans and Idolaters who are against the Unity of God. These very same martyrs are along with the saints martyred for the witness of Jesus and their numbers will be completed anytime soon as the Beast gets into power.

If you want to know who the harlot and the beast in Revelation are, it will be the Church and Organization who are strongly anti-Muslim.

The Beast will be revealed anytime soon. He will have great power and will deceive a lot of people who doesn't have the Seal of the Living God in their foreheads.

The Messiah who is in hiding will be revealed also, we are living in the tribulation period now and the three and a half years of seclusion of the Messiah will be over soon.

Purify your garments Children of Adam, your mother is about to gather you together. Worship the Lord Your God, ask forgiveness for your sins and keep doing good works, for you are about to be weighed, those whose weights are heavy with good works will deserve Paradise, those whose weights are light will deserve Hell.

21:47 And We set a just balance for the Day of Resurrection so that no soul is wronged in aught. Though it be of the weight of a grain of mustard seed, We bring it. And We suffice for reckoners.

34:3 Those who disbelieve say: The Hour will never come unto us. Say : Nay, by my Lord, but it is coming unto you surely. (He is) the Knower of the Unseen. Not an atom's weight, or less than that or greater, escapeth Him in the heavens or in the earth, but it is in a clear Record.

99:7 And whoso doeth good an atom's weight will see it then,

99:8 And whoso doeth ill an atom's weight will see it then.

The time to do good deeds to your neighbor and family is NOW, I say stop hating your brothers (all mankind are brothers), start loving universally. God has prepared a better place for you, if you truly believe in Him and love Him with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.

In The Day of Judgment, we will all stand before God, individually and we will have to account for our actions here on earth. We will not be asked about other people's affairs but only our own. Only your deeds will follow you, the good deeds will give you weight, the evil deeds will be taken from the weight that you have, so start doing good deeds while it still counts.

Peace!



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posted on Jun, 26 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:24 AM
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Thank you for showing why Islam is the most vile of false religions. And how the unholy koran is of the bile of satans bowels........

The delusion that is islam is in itself a mark of the beast........muhammad was/is the false prophet of revelations.............leading his vile 'flock" to hell......................allah IS satan...........

Repent....



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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My theory is that the mark of the beast will be an actual mark as "on" (or in?) the right hand or forehead (for example the picture provided by amitheone) and not purely a symbolic meaning because "both" bond and free man will receive it. A bond person is like a slave with limited freedoms as opposed to a free man. If the mark symbolically refers to action (right hand) and thinking (forehead) then the slave would not be on equal standing as a free man. A slaves actions and even thinking would be limited (ie. education) since he is tolled what to do and...even what to think. (Plus marking a slave would be even easier...) This mark of the beast could be a culmination of some kind of population reduction, or due to global wars?



posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 03:47 PM
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Heliosprime,

I would really like to know where you get your ideas about Islam, because you're misleading people with your personal observations that you want to pass off as the TRUTH, which can never be.

Islam, does NOT reject Jesus as savior, the Muslims if the truth be known are the closest followers of Jesus, because they know the true teachings of Jesus and most especially because they are worshiping the God that Jesus worshiped.

Jesus (pbuh) is the Messiah sent to the Children of Israel while the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Messiah sent to all mankind. Your contention that Muslims reject Jesus as Savior and that Muslims only believe in the Prophet Muhammad is false and misleading. One of the pillars of Islam is believing in all the prophets that God has sent to mankind and to make no distinction among them.

As Jesus himself preached to the children of Israel during his time,
" Truly I say to you, that every prophet when he is come has borne to one nation only the mark of the mercy of God. And so their words were not extended save to that people to which they were sent. But the Messenger of God, when he shall come, God shall give to him as it were the seal of his hand, insomuch that he shall carry salvation and mercy to all the nations of the world that shall receive his doctrine. He shall come with power upon the ungodly, and shall destroy idolatry, insomuch that he shall make Satan confounded; for so promised God to Abraham, saying: "Behold, in your seed I will bless all the tribes of the earth; and as you have broken in pieces the Idols , O Abraham , even so shall your seed do."

In all the existing Holy Scriptures, these words of Jesus about the seed of Abraham was fulfilled only with the advent of the Prophet Muhammad who broke into pieces all the idols housed in the Kaaba (Mecca), and put an end to idolatry bringing back the doctrine of the worship of the ONE TRUE GOD.

29:17 Ye serve instead of Allah only idols, and ye only invent a lie. Lo! those whom ye serve instead of Allah own no provision for you. So seek your provision from Allah, and serve Him, and give thanks unto Him, (for) unto Him ye will be brought back.

If you truly love Jesus you should endeavor to find his true teachings as the Muslim does. Study Islam thoroughly, if the Religion is as bad as you paint it, why are people converting to Islam in troops? 2 billion and growing, Praise be to God.

110:1 When Allah's succor and the triumph cometh-

110:2 And thou seest mankind entering the religion of Allah in troops.

110:3 Then hymn the praises of thy Lord, and seek forgiveness of Him. Lo! He is ever ready to show mercy.

Stop spreading hate and lies about Islam, we are peace-loving and God fearing people. Islam is the religion chosen by God for mankind, the surrender of our will to God, Our Creator. The religion of Abraham and his sons as testified in the Holy Quran, the Final Testament sent to mankind.

2:130 And who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself? Verily We chose him in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he is among the righteous.

2:132 The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you the (true) religion; therefore die not save as men who have surrendered (unto Him).

5:3 Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swine flesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favor unto you, and have chosen for you as religion AL- Islam.

Extremism is present in all religions, not only Islam and the majority of the Muslim population are against it. 20 % of the present Muslim population are from Arab countries and the rest which comprises 80 % are converts from all over the world from Jewish and Christian and other religious denominations.

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

So desist in spreading lies against Islam and stop turning people away from the religion of God.

3:99 Say: O People of the Scripture! Why drive ye back believers from the way of Allah, seeking to make it crooked, when ye are witnesses (to Allah's guidance)? Allah is not unaware of what ye do.

61:7 And who doth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie against Allah when he is summoned unto Al-Islam. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by heliosprime
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Nice research, so to be clear.........you say those who hold saturday as sabbath are worshiping the beast? And the star of David is the mark?


Those who hold any days of the week to set aside to worship God are *not* worshiping the beast, as we worship the true God in the spirit, irregardless of the day we set aside.

As written:


John 4:23 - Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.


Whether you want to worship on Mon, Tues, Sat, Sun, it doesn't matter, its totally irrelevant because we don’t worship the day and venerate it, we worship God.

As written:


Romans 14 - 5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.


If you want to keep Saturday as special, no problem. No one is passing judgment nor condemning you. For you do this unto the Lord. However, it should never be recognized as a means where one can be saved, a means of salvation because one has observed that particular day. Only Jesus saves and nothing else.


The intent of this post was to show the "mark" of the beast of Revelations was not a "single" act that everyone could point to and say "that's it".


According to Revelations, it is only a single act and everyone will receive a mark on their foreheads and on their right hand. However, the traces of the beast can be found on every aspect of pagan worship – his symbols, his graven images/idols, and his festivals which include all the pagan holidays like Easter, Christmas, Lent, Halloween, and such. His symbols can be found on all cultic materials. A bad tree will always bear bad fruit. Every aspects of paganism can be traced all to the beast. He has diverse names and images across many cultures.

Since, this false messiah is an “imposter” of Jesus Christ, he will imitate Christ in all aspects in order to deceive. He is a copycat. Let me enumerate some:

1. The servants of God will have God’s name on their foreheads.


Revelation 22 - NIV

3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.


The false Christ will also have his name on everyone's forehead and right hand, those whose name is not written in the book of life.


Revelation 13 - NIV

16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Revelation 13 - NIV

8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.


2. Jesus performed miracles, wonders, and signs.


Acts 2:22 - NIV

"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.


The false prophet on behalf of the false Christ will also perform miracles, wonders, and signs.


Revelation 13:13 - NIV

12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.

2 Thessalonians 2 - NIV

9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing.


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I can continue on, but I will take up too much space here. As you can clearly see, the false messiah, the lawless one, will imitate Jesus that many people will be fooled that this is already the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

As for the mark, according to the strict context of Revelation – refer to point 1, the true God will have his “name” on his servant’s foreheads. The false messiah will also imitate this, and he will also mark “his name” on his followers. You see the similarity here? This is not talking about a sign or is symbolic; this simply talks about the receiving of names on the foreheads. However, the beast will do it in differently; he will use his symbol to mark people on their foreheads and on the right hand and forced it on them.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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I contend that anti-christ will be muslim (the 12 mahdi) to be exact. There are already comparisons of OBL to the image on the shroud of turin.


The false Christ or anti-christ, will be a god for everyone he deceives. It does not matter whether you are a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, or any other religion.

As written:


Revelation 13 - NIV

8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world


It says here in this context “ALL”. Everyone in the world will worship this imposter. Except for them that is written in the Lamb’s book of life - the true Christians who knows who God is. Take note that this deception is so clever and great that many Christians will abandon the faith and worship this false messiah. But, then again, there were not true Christians to begin with for they are not written in the Lamb’s book of life.

As written:


1 Timothy 4 - NIV

1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Matthew 24 - NIV

9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,



I do also agree that "pope" will be involved in leading to the anti-christ.


According to Revelation, there are 2 beasts – The false messiah and the false prophet who will act on his behalf or his “vicar”. You can read all about them here:

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But I do not accept the star of david thingy as the potential "mark".........


It is not the star of David, it is the seal of Solomon who turned to idolatry. There are Jews who are offended by this symbol. It belongs to the pagans.


A number of years ago, when the Lord was dealing with me about the 'Jewish' Star of David, my heart was bound up in the symbol. Being raised Jewish it had much emotional meaning for me. When someone first suggested that it wasn't kosher, and that I look into its history, I became defensive. But, I did, and the more I looked into the matter, the more I became convinced that I could not, in good conscience, continue to use it on my stationary (letterhead and synagogue card), or wear it, because it was not a biblical symbol but a pagan one. At best, it was a profane (common), ordinary symbol, the innocent placing of two triangles together. At worst, it was taken from the occult and introduced into Judaism by the Kabala.1 But Kabala picked it up from the occult.


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posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by queenofangels_17
Islam, does NOT reject Jesus as savior, the Muslims if the truth be known are the closest followers of Jesus, because they know the true teachings of Jesus and most especially because they are worshiping the God that Jesus worshiped.


Although Jesus or Nabi Isa is in the Koran, however, they don't accept Him as God, Creator, and the Lord Almighty. They have a "different" Jesus altogether. In Islam, Jesus was just a prophet, nothing more and he did not die on the cross.

Totally different. We don't worship Nabi Isa of the Koran, we worship Jesus in the Bible.

[edit on 7/2/2008 by amitheone]



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 04:19 PM
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Everything that is said is 100% true and on the money! The only thing you messed up on, here, is throwing in your OPINIONS in as facts. It is a fact that God mentions taking on his perfect thinking (777) on our foreheads (thoughts). It is NOT A FACT that people who serve on Sunday are taking the mark of the beast mentioned. Although in theory you are actually correct since Saturday is the true Sabbath, 7 th day of the week, Sunday is the First day. Sunday is not ordained by God and therefore a lie from Satan.

But the true mark of the beast is the opposite of God in THINKING, not day of worship. Gods perfect thinking is 777, our actions are our right hand or works. The mark of the beast would be Satan's imperfect thinking (666) and works (right hand).

To prove this a little further people can go to biblegateway.com and do a word search of "forehead" for the NIV or "between the eyes" with ASV. NIV is better for this search as it makes more sense to say forehead. Then do a word search of "right hand".

You will find that God puts his thoughts on our foreheads, or front of mind, and that our right hand means works. Jesus was the right hand or works of God. Jesus is the word or words of God since he IS God in the flesh. God and Jesus are not two but rather one. God is an omnipresent Holy spirit that made a flesh body, then went in it, becoming a man, and died for us. God was crucified on the cross for us.

John 1:1 & 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
14 And THE WORD BECAME FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, Jesus), full of grace and truth.


Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a CHILD is born, unto us a SON is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting FATHER, Prince of Peace.





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