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US state wants to tax TVs, video games to fight fat, fund education

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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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US state wants to tax TVs, video games to fight fat, fund education


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A Democratic lawmaker in New Mexico wants to tax televisions and video games to raise funds to fight childhood obesity and improve education in the state, officials said Friday.

"I have asked our legislative council service to prepare the "Leave No Child Inside" bill and am hopeful that it will be ready for me to introduce on Monday," educator-turned-lawmaker Gail Chasey told AFP.

Around one-quarter of New Mexico's children are obese or overweight, and just over half finish high school...
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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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This is the first state I have herd of that wans to enact this tax proposed first by the Sierra Club, see Scientists post on that topic here link

This is bound to drive many people nuts, especially here on ATS where so many members seem to libertarian. Personally as a citizen of New Mexico I think it is a great idea. The level of education and the % of obesity is r4eally quite astounding. I am still interested to her what others think about a state actually planning to try to implement such a tax.

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(visit the link for the full news article)

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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:39 AM
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While the cause is good, raising taxes is not the answer. It should be up to the parent to control their child's waistline.

Do we really want to give all control of our lifestyles over to the federal government?



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:46 AM
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I am sadly past the point of believing in my fellow citizen taking care of their personal responsibilities. I have watched too many who are simply too lazy or too ignorant to ensure their responsibility to others, be it their children, elder family members, or neighbors, to trust they will do the right thing.

Living on a planet with 6.5 billion people and counting, I fully believe there needs to be accountability forced onto those who will not take it up for themselves.

Sad, but true.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:47 AM
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That is quite a hilarious economic policy. Reactionary taxes like that make me laugh. Maybe should throw an extra tax on books to fund some public entertainment, as books are boring
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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Ya man I agree, I think we should just start gathering up all the books, piling them up, and burning them. Stupidest waste of paper ever. I would use it to wipe my hiney, but its a bit too rough for my tastes.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Animal
Living on a planet with 6.5 billion people and counting, I fully believe there needs to be accountability forced onto those who will not take it up for themselves.

Sad, but true.


Ya sounds good.. But you know... TV Video games, and porn don't make someone fat, its the crap they eat.

And if you notice most people who play Video Games in general are skinny people like myself. So taxing games isn't the answer.. I say tax the crap ass food we all like to eat.. you know...... McDonald's, Wendy's, ahhh Burger King. and what not.

That's like saying GTA makes people go out and kill other people.. Get over it..

People are fat cause they are lazy and don't wanna fix a problem they have, they think science will cure their lazy ass, but siting around and taking pills or something... They don't realize effort needs to be applied to it so they don't do it.. cause its to much work. Plus Wii game out and is very interactive so using Video Games as a cop out is bs.

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Last paragraph is from personal xp... sorry forgot to add that.



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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:59 AM
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You make an excellent point, although I still do believe that lack of activity is a big part of the fat epidemic. Still, the hydroginated corn syrup is killing the world. One of the many curses that came with the industrialization of agriculture.

What would you suggest as an alternative? Letting the obese eat themselves to death?

Take a look at what the costs associated with this problem are:



According to a study of national costs attributed to both overweight (BMI 25–29.9) and obesity (BMI greater than 30), medical expenses accounted for 9.1 percent of total U.S. medical expenditures in 1998 and may have reached as high as $78.5 billion ($92.6 billion in 2002 dollars) (Finkelstein, Fiebelkorn, and Wang, 2003). Approximately half of these costs were paid by Medicaid and Medicare. The primary data sets used to develop the spending estimates for this study included the 1998 Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS) and the 1996 and 1997 National Health Interview Surveys (NHIS). The data also included information about each person’s health insurance status and sociodemographic characteristics.


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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 11:19 AM
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I am going to say at least 80% of the people who are fat are fat cause they are lazy and don't wanna do nothing.

They sit there and complain I am fat bla bla.. and never do a damn thing about it. They go I am fat I go on diets and bla and it don't do anything.. Well wtf they diet for like 3 mins and then head to the next burger joint.. I think they should do what they did for smoking.. screw the fast food industry... They are the ones giving the people what they want..

Ohh my above post, I will bet anyone 100 bucks that since Wii is so interactive to play that most fat people wont pick it up.. And according to some reports PS3 is going to follow suit.

In other words if it has effort in the title of any game or something.. There will not be any fat people to be found.. Why cause they are lazy and wanna blame others for their being fat, in reality they just sit there and eat and eat and eat..

Hell they had a documentary on discovery about some fat ass person that weighed like a half a ton, they got him surgery and whatnot to help him lose weight...

You know the outcome?? exactly.. It isn't games porn or TV its the food and the laziness associated with being fat.

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I want to boldly express that am stating actually experience in what I have seen in life. If its sounds rude and whatever... Sorry about that but facts are facts.. cant show me otherwise. Except the few 2% who actually don't wanna be fat and actually do something about it.. as in exercising and whatever.
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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Wow, slightly angry are we? I have to say your post is overly harsh, plainly a generalization, and seriously without any consideration for anything but contempt. I am skinny and still offended.

Yes obesity is a problem, and yes it has a lot to do with diet and physical activity, but the way you portray those afflicted with such a condition is simple minded, uninformed, and simply rude.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 11:36 AM
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How sweet of them to burden themselves with all our troubles, they are so caring, kind, and brimming with filial affection.

I haven't felt this spoiled since I was in the crib.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 11:37 AM
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Instead of taxing the middle and lower classes on their entertainment choices to pay for education under the guise of "preventing obesity", why don't we tax the corporations that make the TV's, sell the ad's on the TV's, sell the junk food that people eat at fast food restaurants.... etc.

I think that every advertiser that markets toys to kids on cartoon network, nickelodeon, Disney channel...etc, should have to pay higher taxes. Why not have some of the wealthy people who are capitalizing off of the middle and lower classes pay some of the tax?

It is in societies best interest to have an educated youth. The burden shouldn't be the working class's alone to bear. The entire system is screwed and a tax on entertainment is really a poor solution if you ask me.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 11:39 AM
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The thing is they wanna make a problem one something that isn't.

The reason for people being fat is because they are lazy. Ok some are that way because of bone structure or whatever, but if they wanted to fix the problem they would exercise see a doc about it and try and do thing that would help them lose weight.

And yes I guess I am a tad pissed about it.. I smoke cigarettes and I get taxed out the ass for some no smoking campaign that I never see except 1nce in like 300 yrs.

On the flip side do non smokers foot the bill to stop people from smoking? no.. The bill is held solely on the smoker, we smoke we pay for other people to not smoke.

Same rules should apply here, Video Games, TV, and whatever else u do why sitting don't need to be taxed, its the fast food places that need to be taxed and taxed hard just like the tobacco places got taxed hard.

Its the same damn thing, even now people know that eating that big ass baconator from Wendy;s is 1% good and 99+ fat and instant heart attack waiting to happen. So I don't wanna hear people don't know what is bad or good for them..

I know smoking will/might/probably kill me, but you don't see me telling them to tax alcohol for my issue do you?

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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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Karlhungis (From the Big L. right?) you make an excellent point. It makes much more sense as far as I am concerned. Isn't the obesity in some ways a negative externality to the business that these cooperations are in? Why should the average Joe be responsible for paying for all the impacts. Although we do have free will so maybe there should be shared responsibility for these impacts.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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They wouldn't tax wii games, right? I mean some people are actually losing weight by playing the Wii.

Anyway, it's just ridiculous to do this. As already said, it makes a lot more sense to tax fast food and other unhealthy foods. If it's cheaper to eat healthier foods then people will gravitate more towards them. As long as they taste good, if not, we'll still have a problem.

Taxing games or tv's means people just buy fewer games or smaller TV's, but they'd still be able to entertain themselves with those things and stay on their behinds. Instead of playing two games for 3 or 4 hours, a kid can just as easily decide to play one game for 6-8 hours instead. You definitely have to go after the unhealthy food instead. Today people could hand the cashier a 5 and walk out with 5 cheeseburgers off the dollar menu. I think that if a tax is created the quantity of food a person buys should have an affect on this tax. the more items a person buy's the higher the tax percentage for each item. I'd want to be more strict on a guy coming in buying 5 cheeseburgers with this tax than I would a guy coming in for one burger and a side of fries.



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