The NWO Are the Architects of 2012. Here's Why!

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posted on Jan, 25 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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On one hand I've been learning more and more about the NWO and their plans for a bleak future where a diminished population is penned together and made subserviant to the elite.

On the other hand, we have the prospect of a cataclysmic event poised to wipe out humanity. To support this, I hear speculation about the construction of vast underground bunker complexes and hideaways - such as the Bush family's acquisition of vast land areas in Paraguay - and these havens are supposed to save the elite. I can't help but draw connections between the Freemasons (their obsession with sacred geometry) and ancient cults who predicted world cataclysms (by encoding dates and information with the use of geometry into their monuments - take a look at the Scott Creighton forum for more on that).

So which is it? Both can't occur!
A total catastrophe in 2012 doesn't bode very well for the plans that the NWO have spent centuries working towards. Are they really going to harvest the fruits of their labours within the next 4 years? I don't think so. If the elite know something concerning some kind of natural event that's supposed to end mankind, they'd throw their hands up in the air in dismay, abandon the NWO plan and retreat to the bunkers they've supposedly been building.

So is the continuation of their grand plan some kind of (empty) reassurance that we're not all going to drown in tsunamis caused by a malevolent comet? Sure, you could say that a cataclysm might not destroy the entire world, therefore leaving just the right number of people for the NWO to enslave, but a cataclysm would destroy all of the social constructs that enable them to enslave.

I believe that if something is going to happen in 2012, the elite do know about it. Therefore the only conclusion I can draw is that whatever is going to happen, if anything, WILL be manmade. Why? Because it needs to be something that they can control in order for their grand plans to pan out. It could be nuclear war, it could be absolute martial law, it could be global epidemic, but it WILL be of their making. They must know that it won't wipe out anymore than about 80-90% of mankind otherwise their plan for domination would be pointless, and the only way they can know this for sure is if whatever occurs is something they are able to control

And by the way, I'm not a 2012 nut. I'm just postulating with an open-mind here.

[edit on 25/1/2008 by Cythraul]




posted on Jan, 25 2008 @ 11:55 PM
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It's exacly what i think to,
Monarchy use to scare population to control
them with all kind of prophecys, legend, scary theatrical curtain to
manipulate the mass and i think that history repeat it self but in a more technical way.

I found a threat here in the ATS forum, saying like you, that it is all
planed and orchested by the elites and they will use 2012 for it psychologic impact
it is in a french document for those who can read french.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

great post.....! Cythraul



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 12:37 AM
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I think that most here know of the Mayan calendar ending in 2012, and there is the Chinese that had something else that coincided with that, and I've seen another 2012 prediction which I can't remember the source, and another that has written a book dating the end in 2012, and I have independently discovered yet another 2012 point of termination;

The current pope Benedict XVI may be overtaken by the Antichrist either in Oct this year, or in April 2012. Benedict will die at the hands of the mob as he tries to flee the Vatican. This was pope John's XXIII dream vision, not knowing whether it was him or another pope after him.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 12:44 AM
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The one book about 2012 was written by Wayne Redden:

2012 Quick and Dirty by Wayne Redden ISBN: 1414107978 Publisher: Pleasant Word
Year: 2008. God's Word indicates that some end time prophecies will be unknown until the end of days. 2012: Quick and Dirty reveals the undeniable fact that some of the secrets of the Bible are now uncovered and exposed.

The other book by the same publisher by "me" containing information about 2012 is "Everything You Need To Know About The Number 666" ... The Biblical Interpretation of the Prophecy of the Number 666 by Ralph Myers ISBN: 1414108192 Publisher: Pleasant Word Year: 2007



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 02:43 AM
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The Mass Death of the Human race is inevitable, the Planet has an oversupply of them and in any natural enviroment when a species become prolific a desease will come along to keep the numbers natural and balanced.

It wouldn't take much a genius to see that we are well over due for this catastrophe and the time is ticking down.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 04:35 AM
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I guess I'm just concluding, through some kind of jumbled thought process, that an NWO-orchestrated catastrophe is the only thing that 2012 can be. So for any of you worried about meteors or sun-surges, or other natural disasters; by process of elimination, we can conclude that those things are highly unlikely. What is most probable is some man-made hell. We may not know that whatever disease is killing us is manmade, but it will be - it will be of the NWO's doing.

I wonder if anyone can see holes in my logic... or if anyone has come to the same conclusion previously through the same process of logic!?



posted on Jan, 27 2008 @ 01:08 AM
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I watched ENDGAME, and Alex Jones said that first they'll establish 1-world-government under the guise of trade deals, and only THEN get on with the population reduction. And you can't worry about NWO YET because, with such an informed public (yes, about 15-20% of us know of NWO, and more if any OBVIOUS signs occur) as we have today, the Elite will not DARE pull a stunt. And until gun control is established, police state CANNOT happen. However, what WILL happen is US economy crash, poverty, crime, and "good citizens" begging the government for welfare (establish dependence/trust) and gun control. Then, police state, WW3 and NWO. However, an informed public WILL STILL get in the way. Oh, and by the way, 2012 is all hype. It was orchestrated by MAYANS, and not anyone else.



posted on Jan, 27 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by thetruth777
Oh, and by the way, 2012 is all hype. It was orchestrated by MAYANS, and not anyone else.

I think you're missing the point just slightly. This thread isn't even meant to be pro-2012. What I'm saying is... that ANY forthcoming prophecy of world devastation will be, if anything, NWO-made. My logic is that the NWO would not still be nurturing their horrific plan if there were any chance at all that mankind is going to be wiped out before they have a chance to benefit from it. The Mayans didn't orchestrate 2012, they predicted it. What actually occurs on 2012 (if anything) will quite obviously have nothing to do with the Mayans. But the Mayans could have been predicting the inevitable moment of the worst inhumanity - the realisation of the NWO's plans.



posted on Jan, 28 2008 @ 01:51 AM
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Great topic Cythraul,

I have wondered about this too, and we have to include the human factor in your process, what I mean is, as more people become aware of the NWO and their nefarious plans for us, the brainwashing won't be quite as effective, and will hopefully thwart their efforts. The verichip, for example, I don't believe anyone I know personally would allow the govt. to implant a device in their body that could track their every move and be "turned off" at someones whim. The younger generations could be suckered into it if it is sold to them as being "cool" perhaps, I would hope not, but...

As for 2012, I resist putting too much hope in major sea change for humanity brought on by some kind of cataclysm or crossing the galactic center and realignment of DNA to a higher frequency-or whatever-

That would be nice, though.



posted on Jan, 28 2008 @ 04:29 AM
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Thanks for your post Pilot.

You raise a good point about awareness. Some say that 2012 could be a time for raised consciousness, whereas some take a more doomsday approach to the date. Perhaps that translates, in context of the NWO, to either a culmination of total awareness and collapse of the NWO, OR the opposite, and their inevitable success.

I'd like to think that we'll wake up in time to see the demise of their plan, and in turn, no global catastrophes or enslavements in our near future.



posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 03:05 PM
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I think, the Elites will use the maya prophecy because it will fit
there time frame only.....!

Is it possible that Anything that could terorise the population
will be use. If a american indians tribe or a old chinese tribe would
have wrote a terror prophecy between the time frame 2001-2033
yoiu would here a lot of propaganda about another, end of the world
scare tactic.

I think they use everything that can help them. Malachy, the profecy of
the popes fit the present date because the vatican declare a lot of
antipope. the 111 th popes is not suppose to be, Benedict XVI,
the last real pope before Peter the Roman.

is the history repeated it self, it look like old strategy, '' legend,
prophecys, Gods fears '' only to scare and control,

there are so many threats, Avian Flu, ww3, climat change, terrorist
attacks, Aliens attack, chaos, Bible Profecys......! ALL SCARE TACTIC
just like the old time and only to creat fears to control populations

ORDER INTO CHAOS, a New World Order agenda will not be fight in that
context, it will be a essential solution a need in the population's eyes and
FREEDOM will not be important anymore only SECURITY will.

It make me thing of a stick and carrot strategy, Kindoms use to
use those tactics to manipulate populations could it style be use today.

I saw that conspiracy theory,here somewhere in the a ATS's Posts a
couple a weeks ago, it sound plausible, do anyone have video or website
about something similar to that, i am interested in finding more about it.

thank you,
Achilles13




posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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I think you may be a good candidate for conspiracy addiction. have a look at this thread and see if it helps you:

www.abovetopsecret.com...'



posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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There's a portion of all world population that have good Critical Thinking
abil;ity but imagine if they have to live all those threats that a said
earlier '' ww3, chaos, climat chnage ,H5N1, etc...... ''and all together.

Imagine there is, over all this, a Global Economic crash, population will
be so exhausted of all those global problems and terrify that it will be
easy to control and manipulate all civilisation.

If it is right, the New World Agenda will take control of everyone's liberty
and there will never be anought people left, to fight for freedom....!





posted on Jan, 30 2008 @ 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by Silenceisall
I think you may be a good candidate for conspiracy addiction. have a look at this thread and see if it helps you:

I think you may be right. This thread seems to be tying together 2 of your 3 conspiracy-nut-conspiracies. Sadly, I'm relatively new to a lot of this stuff so I don't think I can be extended the honour of 'conspiracy nut' just yet. Took a look at your thread and while interesting, I don't think it will benefit me. Thanks anyway.



posted on Jan, 30 2008 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by Achilles 13
I think, the Elites will use the maya prophecy because it will fit
there time frame only.....!

That's an excellent point. Thank you! I hadn't really considered the idea that 2012 could be something that was previously meaningless, but could be given credence by a group like the NWO. It's wholly possible, because as I said before - I'm not a 2012 nut, I just like to be open-minded. I'd gladly accept the possiblity that 2012 is BS but is being played on by malicious parties.



posted on Jan, 30 2008 @ 04:04 AM
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This whole thread is really wacked out.

First off 2012 was when the "unbelievably advanced" Mayan calender resets and its also when a lot of planets will align. Their was a show about it on the discovery channel just last week.

#2 The elite already have a plan. It's called free trade, which inevitably will be the cause of the US economy crash.



posted on Jan, 30 2008 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by Techsnow
This whole thread is really wacked out.

It's just a discussion on a conspiracy forum. Is there really anything so out of place or ridiculous about it?


Originally posted by Techsnow
First off 2012 was when the "unbelievably advanced" Mayan calender resets and its also when a lot of planets will align. Their was a show about it on the discovery channel just last week.

Fair enough, but unless your discovery show failed to mention it, an awful lot of people on this planet believe 2012 represents more than just a planetary alignment. I mean, if you want to discredit the 2012 prophecy, there are far more appropriate threads to do it in than this.


Originally posted by Techsnow
#2 The elite already have a plan. It's called free trade, which inevitably will be the cause of the US economy crash.

Yes, I'm sure NWO conspiracy-theorists would agree that the economy crash is an element of the plan. This thread is only a conclusion I came to about IF anything happens in 2012, why it is probably related to the NWO. If you don't believe in the NWO or 2012 prophecy, fair enough - perhaps other threads would suit your interests a little more.



posted on Jan, 30 2008 @ 06:38 AM
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The way I see it, the NWO is purposely causing a disaster scenario in which may cause the complete wipe out of the human race on earth…..I’m guessing the masterminds behind the NWO are planning for Alternative 3 and are going to mars……and so you think….but without the billions of people for enslavement, what’s the point….

This is my theory so far…..all the trillions of dollars are spent on black projects such as building craft like the UFO type, the anti-gravity type……As soon as they’ve got there bases built on mars, they’ll have no real need for the billions of people and as John Lear’s said, mars is habitable, I’m starting to think it’s just like our planet…..no difference it has oxygen, oceans etc…… and so they’re going to start a new world on Mars….if anyone’s seen the movie Ants…..the story basically sets out the whole basic Alternative 3 theme……even the flood……and so it seems the 2012 thing will be an artificial flood……

Even in the movie there sending armies of ants to their deaths….sounds just like the type of wars that’s been going on for the past 100 years……

So far that’s all I’ve come up with…….unless you want me to start on bloodlines....



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posted on Jan, 30 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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Many, believe, that the roman empire, hidden behind the roman catholic
church, got control of the world because of the religion power over civilisation.

Sorry for any Jesus beleiver, but i think the 33 years of jesus history
is a big theatrical propaganda use by the roman catholics church to
easely control the Roman empire.

33 years is for them, i think, i strong number for power, thats why it is
plausible that the NWO agenda is maybe plan to the first 33 years of the 21 century.

that's why There was and will be a lot of chaos and man made orchested
desaster until 2033. 33 years to install the Old New Order 2000 year ago
and 33 years of propaganda to install the New World Oder.

another coincidence of the number 33, the The Georgia Guidestones
was built in March 22 ( S & B 322 ) 1980.

add 33 years we are up to 2013 march 22 (322 ) 3 month after 21 december 2012.

Could the world population will go down to 500 000 000.00 people
( sacrifice of 80 % of world population ) like the stone are saying...

A groupe of Freemason are suspected of being the donator of the stones
If Freemason are, deep hidden behind the Roman and Vatican empire,
and so without the majority of members being awared of this.

Vatican denying it to protect there images with a hypocrite attidude
making easier to control rebelions agains the catholic church.

The Templars gave a lot of power to the Roman church 1000 years ago
but civilisation knowing that it was the roman church empire behind the
Templars was a big problems so maybe the Freemason are the succesor
of the Templars but this time Rome is being smarter by dening there
affiliation with the organisation to easily pull the string of power of the
organisation and increase the influence and power they can have on
population and civilisation of the world......!

The Georgia Guidestones




posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 01:54 PM
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The Vatican and the Roman empire are the Illuminati....!

the real power in control of the world and so since 2000 years....!
and they want a One World Gouvernemt under there power....!
and The New World Order agenda is a strategy to Success....!



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