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Could Bob Lazar be who he says he is?

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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 02:02 AM
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Lol, I'm sorry DogHead but Lazar and Greer don't impress me in any way, shape or form as snake oil salesmen and I'm not a follower of anyone or anything for that matter. I'm also a religious agnostic.

Both of these individuals impress me as being extremely intelligent and whatever those inconsistencies are, because I agree with THE MESSAGE, that's all that matters to me. That's the bottom line. Everything else is irrelevant.




posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 02:03 AM
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Thanks Palasheea and good points. Over the last 3 years looking into 9/11, I found myself tip-toeing around UFO, alternative energy and suppressed medical break-throughs, through fear of tarnishing the movement. These days though, it seems we are deperately running out of time and people need to be woken up, now.
Even US patents can show just how suppressed technology has become yet people don't seem to care.
-HHO technology
-Methods of Curing AIDS and other diseases (Dr Robert Beck is also worth looking into)
-Anti-gravity and 'free' energy etc

Many of these patents are virtually unknown, yet are classified as legal documents. What a disgrace.

Power to the Sheople



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 02:12 AM
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John, I gotta tell ya, the things you say are quite a bit hard to swallow. Do you have an explanation as to how any of this is possible? And what about Bob Lazar? What do you know about him that IS credible and traceable.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 02:13 AM
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cams,

Well like I said -- There's a whole vested interest in suppressing valuable information like this and on the internet in forums everywhere we have paid provocateurs working for conglomerates who have no interest whatsoever in alternative sources of energy or in our planet's survival -- including, as you say, medical related technology and so on... the list is endless.

All in a quest to maintain the status quo. It's rather pathetic isn't it?


[edit on 26-1-2008 by Palasheea]



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 03:02 AM
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The main whole in Lazar's story, and I think the one that ultimately cost him his credibility in the scientific world (if he ever had ANY) is this:

Whilst attending he highschools he so claimed he did (MIT/Caltech), i find it unlikely, nay, impossible, that he cannot find one single person who remembers him.

Just absurd really. I mean, even if he doesn't remember them by name, he can access the alumini records and get a hold of someone who attended one of his classes, and at the least get a 'aw mayb i saw dat guy lol' out of him/her.

Secondly, the thing that has intruiged me the most about the enigmatic Robert S. Lazer, is that if the career he so boldly speaks of to the public is nothing but a dirty whorish lie, then what happened/what did he do during those years he claimed to be working fulltime inside S-4?

As far as i know, he has a nuclear equipment company that is doing allright, but im not sure when he actually began this. Can anyone confirm a date?

His REAL career during the time he claimed to work at S-4 would be very handy to know.
You would of thought that fellow employees of his during this time would have seen him on the news etc and came out and said something...
Unless he was unemployed...

Anyone?



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by Palasheea
Lol, I'm sorry DogHead


Don't apologise to me. Apologise to your own good sense and reason. Being immune to facts doesn't make you cool. It makes you a poor judge of anything.

I don't know what makes you above evidence that would convict them in court for fraud, and may well one day if anyone could be bothered to do it.

The interesting thing to me is that for truthful people they always make damned sure they have a disclaimer handy. Interesting.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by DogHead
Although as a one-time whoremaster Lazar has to suffer some damage to his character and credibility especially in terms of past and present claims of his clearance level.

Now, now... where I live, being a whoremaster would be a position of envy. There's more to life than poking and prodding at atoms to help release a surge of Gravity A waves.. Everyone needs a little stress relief from time to time.

A US President enjoyed some kinky pleasures, while not having 'sexual relations', but that didn't ruin his (or his wife's) reputation. If it's good enough for a US President, then it's good enough for Bob Lazar.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 06:43 AM
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Scoop marks:
There used to be a video on youtube which Roger Leir is mentioning and supposedly heard from people with scoop marks that also originally had a different surface with a shine to it, which eventually falls off. Some also claim punch biopsies. These aren't actually proof to most people but they might trigger some real or false memories.

Because I have my own experience with this, I know this is true, or at least for myself anyway. I believe they used some type of laser to seal the cut.

Here's a site from rense which is almost indentical in shape and placement.

www.rense.com...



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by POKEMANS



The main whole in Lazar's story, and I think the one that ultimately cost him his credibility in the scientific world (if he ever had ANY) is this:


First it would depend on which scientific world you are talking about. There are 2. One is the mainstream scientific world. The other is the scientific world the way it really works. That is the world that few know about. You need a clearance about 22 levels above top secret to get to see that world.


Whilst attending he highschools he so claimed he did (MIT/Caltech), i find it unlikely, nay, impossible, that he cannot find one single person who remembers him.


If you ever get a clearance yourself you'll see how this works.

However, judging by the level of your post I doubt if that will ever be a problem.


Just absurd really. I mean, even if he doesn't remember them by name, he can access the alumini records and get a hold of someone who attended one of his classes, and at the least get a 'aw mayb i saw dat guy lol' out of him/her.


See what I mean?


Secondly, the thing that has intruiged me the most about the enigmatic Robert S. Lazer, is that if the career he so boldly speaks of to the public is nothing but a dirty whorish lie, then what happened/what did he do during those years he claimed to be working fulltime inside S-4?


Those are fairly strong words Pokemans. Perhaps you would like to rephrase that statement?

Bob worked at S-4 from December 6, 1988 to sometime in March 1989.

March 22, 1989 is when he first took me out to watch the flying saucer test flight. A week later March 29 is when he took Jim Tagliani. I was on a flight to Cleveland that night (I was a captain with American Trans Air). A week after that was April 6 and thats the night we all got caught by security and the reason Bob lost his job.

Now, if Bob was only a janitor or cook at S-4 it means they told the janitors and cooks when they were going to test the flying saucers.

Either that or I am in on the lie.

In any case I would respectfully request you rephrase you statement above. It may not be in direct violation of the T&C but it is extremely rude.


As far as i know, he has a nuclear equipment company that is doing allright, but im not sure when he actually began this. Can anyone confirm a date?


United Nuclear was in operation in 1988 when I met Bob. I don't know the date it was formed.


His REAL career during the time he claimed to work at S-4 would be very handy to know.


He developed photos while he was working at S-4. The photo developing machine was in his laundry room. I forget what the name of the photo company was but I'll ask Gene. Bob also had a super computer which he used for modeling. One case he worked on was for a guy who bought a 'support' bar from Kmart. He was told it would be ok to use it to hang from his heels in a doorway. It collapsed and the guy broke his neck and sued Kmart. Bob used the computer to model the accident by showing how the bar collpsed and how the guy broke his neck for the lawsuit.

At the time (and still) my wife Marilee was in the casting business and Hollywood studios would hire her to find actors for various movies they were shooting here in Las Vegas. She did the Las Vegas casting for Casino and Mars Attacks. Anyway Bob did the filming of the actors that she was proposing for various movies. He would edit it and make a nice little presentation.

When Bob and I first met in the summer of 1988 we traded resumes. In his resume I saw both degrees from CalTach and MIT. Like many other things that resume disappeared from my files went Bob went to work at S-4.


You would of thought that fellow employees of his during this time would have seen him on the news etc and came out and said something...
Unless he was unemployed...


Well, Dennis, his boss called him up and said he was 'dead'. Shortly after that they shot one tire out on his car and thats the night he slept on my couch in the living room. You would be very surprised to know how many people know where Bob worked.

Those were extremely interesting days, I'm sorry you couldn't have shared them with us. But I feel privileged to have been a part of it all.

Bob came to my 65th birthday last December 4th. I hadn't seen him in a few years and it was great to see him again. He showed us his current LANL id. I think he changes light bulbs there or someting like that.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 08:13 AM
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Strangely enough, a guy named Finis Jennings Dake, wrote in his theological study - God's Plan for Man (many hundreds of pages long, all in fine print) back in tthe end of the 50's, that the entire solar system was inhabited. What makes this work so remarkable is he used the bible, primarily, to prove his points AND he wrote it during a time when christianity wasn't anywhere near broaching that topic. In my mind, it adds some credence to JL's statement that the solar system is inhabited, since I can see no other reason (logically) for Dake to bring up such a controversial topic in a theological study that was otherwise pretty hard core christianity.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Bob worked at S-4 from December 6, 1988 to sometime in March 1989.


I had been wondering how long he worked there, interesting to learn that it was only 3-4 months. Thanks for clarifying that.


Originally posted by johnlear
Now, if Bob was only a janitor or cook at S-4 it means they told the janitors and cooks when they were going to test the flying saucers.


That's the best part of his story, I can't explain that one away.

1) Why has he never tried to prove his MIT and CalTech background? Why no yearbook photos or thesis papers? Seems like a bad time to disappear right after telling the world all this stuff and wanting them to believe you, only to be laughed into hiding when the iron heats up...
2) If you do speak to him, can you ask him to give ATS a day of questioning with him or something? Would he consider this?

And John, many here enjoy your credentials and participation in these forums. But perhaps you would consider saying "I believe" before making outrageous claims without otherwise backing them up. We all have to do it, that's the 'Deny Ignorance' way of this place. If you have solid proof of any of it, than please do share it with us all.

Thanks!




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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Grey Basket




1) Do you still talk to Bob?


Yes.


2) Why has he never tried to prove his MIT and CalTech background? Why no yearbook photos or thesis papers? Seems like a bad time to disappear right after telling the world all this stuff and wanting them to believe you, only to be laughed into hiding when the iron heats up...


Bob has moved on. It was a horrendous ordeal to go through. He feels no need to prove anything to anybody. Those that know, know. Those that don't, don't need too.


3) If you do speak to him, can you ask him to give ATS a day of questioning with him or something? Would he consider this?


No. But you can ask him yourself by emailing him at unitednuclear.com.


And John, many here enjoy your credentials and participation in these forums. But perhaps you would consider saying "I believe" before making outrageous claims without otherwise backing them up. We all have to do it, that's the 'Deny Ignorance' way of this place. If you have solid proof of any of it, than please do share it with us all.


No. If I say it, I beleive it. If you don't like it press the alert button.

Thanks!



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 01:09 PM
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Bob Lazar seems to be a real enough person. His S4 story, I'm not sure about.
His pal John Lear is the one I really wonder about. His answers and demeanor seem to vary at times, perhaps even completely inconsistent now and then. Lazar's story remains unchanged by himself at least. John Lear may have a split personality, is what I'm thinking, or maybe it isn't always the same John Lear posting. How do we know when the real John is posting instead of the stand in? As asked above in the thread, ex-C.I.A. employee John Lear, have you killed anyone lately? HA HA. Just kidding John. I know you were a contract pilot.






[edit on 1/26/2008 by TheAvenger]



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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I think Bob did exactly what he claimed to do. Some of his explanations of how the craft worked were freakin awesome. He is one smart dude IMO.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 02:46 PM
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Bob has moved on. It was a horrendous ordeal to go through. He feels no need to prove anything to anybody. Those that know, know. Those that don't, don't need too.


It was that last part John...That really got me. Why come out with such a story(This is not to say that I believe such things aren't going on) as if to say "Hey guys Aliens over here". And then make a "Those in the know" comment? I've spent some time with intelligence people John. I can tell you right now that talking in circles is a good way to share info without giving away anything to eves droppers...But this is going a bit too far. Lazar came out with this story for a reason...And has provided little proof of where he was educated, let alone where he has worked. You'd think organizations like The Disclosure Project would have contacted Lazar on these issues long ago..But you know what? He's not on the list. If he were even remotely credible(As you assert that he is) He would be able to at LEAST provide government orders(Yes even civilians get those when they're under contract), which don't state the nature, but do state the when, and where your burnin' butt better be. He has not even provided these. Any credible witness would have such documents. There are CTS level people with such orders that even I have seen. And I'm sure many here have as well. CTS, TK, Crypto and so forth are loosely earmarked by presentation orders. Which just means show up here or there at this time. Nothing more. Can he and has he provided this? No. No one shred of evidence. We don't need proof. We need evidence to give SOME semblance of relevance to his testimony..And we have gotten none. Not one bit John. And yet you defend this guy...Not surprised though...You sound very similar, and have about the same creds. Even if you were a Con pilot for the CIA, doesn't matter, that's not even close to high enough to know about the things you claim to know about. Same with Lazar. Disinfo helps no body...And that whole thing with "Those in the know, know and those who don't, don't" is just totally against what I believe most people here are after. Which is the truth. And you and your buddy Lazar have done a damned good job of clouding that alot further. And this "I know something you don't so I'm cooler" attitude has got to stop. You have NEVER outright or honestly answered anyones questions. You just use that clever Intel circle talk, make a few dumb claims, and everyone thinks you're special. Congrats John. You get a big GOLD disinfo star.


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posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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How long would it take to terafarm Mars?
A lot of water would be a good start.
Hmmmm....fresh water or salt water???



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
First it would depend on which scientific world you are talking about. There are 2. One is the mainstream scientific world. The other is the scientific world the way it really works. That is the world that few know about. You need a clearance about 22 levels above top secret to get to see that world.


Sure. How freaking damn convenient. How about it's 43 levels up? 75, anybody? It's so damn secret, sheesh. Face it: nuclear secrets were stolen from the US. Israeli agents stole plans for fighter jet from Sweden. And so on. Now, supposedly there is a parallel world in which there are brilliant physicists who apparently come from nowhere, who carry secrets so deep our science don't know jack about those. Yeah right.



March 22, 1989 is when he first took me out to watch the flying saucer test flight. A week later March 29 is when he took Jim Tagliani. I was on a flight to Cleveland that night (I was a captain with American Trans Air). A week after that was April 6 and thats the night we all got caught by security and the reason Bob lost his job.


you saw the flying saucer than, or did you not?


Now, if Bob was only a janitor or cook at S-4 it means they told the janitors and cooks when they were going to test the flying saucers.


Well maybe they did, and then again I'm far from sure if any saucers were ever there in the first place.


In any case I would respectfully request you rephrase you statement above. It may not be in direct violation of the T&C but it is extremely rude.


I think the poster is on something, because frankly it's not too often that you cry mommy, and besides you don't really appear to spend a lot of time choosing words so that they are pleasing to most people's ears.


He developed photos while he was working at S-4. The photo developing machine was in his laundry room.


That snowball of nonsense has just become too large. If the photos he developed were for S-4, that must have been done in a better place that a laundry room. If this was his side business (and we know he was a photoshop operator), it doesn't square with the ultra-high level of clearance you want us to believe Bob had. Laundry??


Bob also had a super computer which he used for modeling.


Do you have a faintest idea what supercomputers looked like back in 1988 and what they cost? I'm sure you don't, it's almost too funny to read this... Seriously, I'm sure you didn't see Cray or a comparable machine? You don't know what the price tag is and sure you don't know that it won't fit in anybody's laundry room?

Thanks for posting all this, John, because it enriches the already hilarious experience I'm having with these tales of yours.


At the time (and still) my wife Marilee was in the casting business and Hollywood studios would hire her to find actors for various movies they were shooting here in Las Vegas. She did the Las Vegas casting for Casino and Mars Attacks. Anyway Bob did the filming of the actors that she was proposing for various movies. He would edit it and make a nice little presentation.


That's not what physicists typically do. Casting, photo shoots, and that brothel story. Of course, "Mars attacks!" has to do with UFOs and aliens, so that's where Bob might have gotten a part of his ideas from.


He showed us his current LANL id. I think he changes light bulbs there or something like that.


I doubt even that. Next time you see him, ask him to get his number listed in the online directory of LANL. Even people I knew who did nuclear weapons stweardship at LANL had their numbers listed, and Mr.Lazar does not, so I have no problem calling his bluff.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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Everything I have read and heard from reliable researchers and writers about Bob Lazar has not refuted his matter of fact claims. People like George Knapp who did the initial trace found documents that you cannot find now. Events and accounts like this are numerous in any background check for Lazar.

My stepfather was a DOD background investigator stationed in Lancaster near Las Vegas in the 80-90s and from talking to him I can believe anything the DOD wants you to believe or not about a person, they can make it happen.

Everything I have heard from Bob has the "ring of truth". and my own sense is he is on the up and up. I'll look at any new facts to the contrary and have considered many in the past, but the fruit of such endeavors proved flakier than some claim Bob's stories are.

And, was this thread also attacking John's stories and claims?


I'll tell you this. I have a plausible theory on all or most of John's claims, and it lends itself to many other claims people are called whacked for. I will resist going into this long educational discourse here and now, unless asked, but I listen to John's stories and discussions with great interest.

Thanks John,

ZG



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroGhost
Everything I have heard from Bob has the "ring of truth". and my own sense is he is on the up and up.


You know, ZG, I recognize the fact that your mileage may vary. You didn't catch his snafus when Bob attempted to wander into the realm of physics. You don't know that, the way physics education works, it's impossible to become a "ghost" without record or recollection either at MIT or Caltech. You also don't seem to realize that once you lose your qualifications real quick if you elect to switch from physics to running photo finish shops and brothels in Vegas. Fine. For the members of Heaven's Gate, whatever their guru said had the "ring of truth". Amen.
Watch out for the comets.



posted on Jan, 26 2008 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
I think Bob did exactly what he claimed to do. Some of his explanations of how the craft worked were freakin awesome. He is one smart dude IMO.


Oh, but did you see Star Wars? These people surely one-upped our friend Bob! They got working starships and what not. Smart dudes, aren't they? They should get an Oscar for a documentary.




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