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The Smoking (Anti-Aircraft) Guns (of Los Angeles, 1942)

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posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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Hello to everyone!
It's so nice to see active engagement in this thread again, from several members. It was nice to see some of you at the Re-Enactment also


After getting home and uploading my photos/videos to our PC, I see that I have over 200 images of the event, and about 10 video clips.

I see in my U2Us here that there is a new image policy at ATS, effective March 10th, so I plan to post the relevant data in compliance with that policy.

I need to read that policy, etc. and do it correctly, but rest assured there is a lot of new data coming!!!

In this post though, before I do all the uploading, etc., I just wanted to talk a bit about the event.

The 'Time Period' was set rather well. Upon entering Fort MacArthur Museum, all visitors were obliged to wait until a Uniformed Officer had briefed us on current events (of Feburary 1942, of course) and of the necessity for secrecy about what we saw inside (so as not to allow the 'Japs' to find out...) This guy was great, and he really set the stage for the event properly.

On a side note, my girlfriend is half japanese, and this of course colored our thinking throughout the trip. There is a lot of history there, and neither side is painted particularly well from the remnant newspapers of the day, from our modern vantage point.

The equipment around was for the most part, accurate. There was a generator for one of the Searchlights that was made in 1945, but honestly, it was pretty neat even though it was made a few years after the event.

There were Searchlights, there were support trucks for the Lights (they were mobile even back in 1942). I got video clips of people aiming and rotating the lights also.

Many people dressed in period, wearing military uniforms or 1940's attire. There was a Stage made up outside the old Battery installation, and a band played while people danced to the swing music.

We explored all over the grounds, and were able to walk right up to the location where the big guns were housed. I got lots of pictures, including a great shot of the ocean from the vantage point of the lookouts.

I captured an image of the Air Raid Siren, it was very old and appeared in disrepair. It certainly worked though, when they turned it on later that evening. It wasn't as loud as the tornado sirens we had back in the midwest, but it was loud enough to get the job done, and my GF covered her ears until it ended.

Inside the Battery, was the main 'museum' section. There I was able to photograph several of the newspapers I've been looking for, and read them in more depth. I plan to return at some point when it's less crowded, to complete my documentation of those archives. Also inside the museum, were an Anti-Submarine Mine, and a 12 Inch Incindiary Shell!!!!!

WOW was I wrong about those things when I pictured them in my mind. I thought they were 12 inches long. NO! These puppies are 12 inches in DIAMETER! I can't wait to post this image, this thing was ENORMOUS.

I documented a recreation of an Air Raid Station, complete with icon imagery. I also got a picture of the huge loading stick (took several men to lift it) that jammed the large shells into the big guns.

I got a lot of GREAT data, and I can't wait to post it. All in all, the trip was a huge success.


It is there that my positive critique of the event ends. When the 'Air Raid' itself began, I must admit I was highly disappointed in the way the event was depicted.

For one thing, there was no 'object', no toy blimp, no airplane, no anything.
The next historical inaccuracy I found unforgivable. At NO point during the ENTIRE event did the Searchlights EVER converge for ANY length of time.

I sat there trying to get a picture of convergence for a LONG time. Since the iconic image from the event shows the Searchlights converged, I think it would be reasonable to re-create at least that much of the event. Frankly, I found it inaccurate that this was not attempted.

Essentially, they played the sounds of planes flying overhead (propeller planes), while fireworks simulated automatic gunfire from along the coast. Large fireworks (which all came from the same place and targeted wildly different areas of the sky) represented the AA fire.

The presentation led one to believe that we were bombed that evening in 1942, and specifically bombed by the Japanese.

I personally find this not only historically inaccurate, but cowardly. The United States Army, TO THIS DAY, categorizes this event as UnExplained.
To attempt to paint it in such a light is misleading and intellectually dishonest.



Well, that's my review. I plan to post the pics and video I gathered throughout the week, as I get it in line with ATS's new policies. I hope to start it either late tonight or tomorrow.

It's wonderful to see you all here investigating this mystery! I'll be back soon with more of what I've learned!


-WFA




posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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Hello WitnessFromAfar

I have an idea

I have the impression that there is a problem in that image.

After many calcule I think this picture is reversed

could you check and inform you for whether there was a problem between "the printer" and the photo




Bye Plusthon



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Hello Plusthon, from what I've been able to verify with a modern image of the same area, the photo seems to be properly aligned. In the present day image I presented on Page 10, you can see that the peak in question, and much of the hillside have been reformed over the last 60 years, and housing (or some sort of structure) is now present.

Frank Warren, an ATS member here, is reported to have the original LA times photo. You can U2U him directly if you'd like, and ask for further verification.

From seeing the area firsthand (you can go to La Cienega and Jefferson in Los Angeles and still get a decent view and first person perspective of the area) it looks like the posted photo was not reversed.

Please let me know though, if you find evidence to the contrary, and I'll gladly examine it.

To everyone else reading the thread - my apologies for not getting my images from the re-enactment up this week. I'm hoping to have time to get to it over the weekend. My schedule has been very full this week.


-WFA



posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 08:14 PM
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Okay, I've finally had time to review ATS's new image policy. I activated my member upload space, and uploaded the pics for this case.

Now as time allows this week I will begin to post those images here in the thread.

The ATS member upload section is a good system. It took me a while to get the swing of it, but I'm there now


I hope to post all images from this thread into my member upload space here at ATS (in compressed form of course to save bandwidth), in order to maintain the posterity of this amazing thread. For now I'll start by posting the new stuff, and after that I'll go back and upload everything that existed before page 11 of this thread, so that it's all there after March 10th when the ATS Image Policy goes into effect.

Thanks everyone for your patience


-WFA



posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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Please share your knowledge so that I can also upload supporting images. Where on ATS did you go (URL please) for your knowledge? Be specific with simple instructions in layperson's terms. Thanks.


Originally posted by WitnessFromAfar
Okay, I've finally had time to review ATS's new image policy. I activated my member upload space, and uploaded the pics for this case.

Now as time allows this week I will begin to post those images here in the thread.

The ATS member upload section is a good system. It took me a while to get the swing of it, but I'm there now


I hope to post all images from this thread into my member upload space here at ATS (in compressed form of course to save bandwidth), in order to maintain the posterity of this amazing thread. For now I'll start by posting the new stuff, and after that I'll go back and upload everything that existed before page 11 of this thread, so that it's all there after March 10th when the ATS Image Policy goes into effect.

Thanks everyone for your patience


-WFA



posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Okay, I'm at the end of my online time for today, but I thought I'd post a jewel of a pic before I head off.

I also want to make sure my uploads are working and linking properly


Here you go, pic 1, a 12 Inch Incindiary Anti-Aircraft Shell!


This thing was huge! 12 inches in Diameter at the back end!

Okay gang, I'll see you next time with a lot more images from the re-enactment pertaining to this case!


-WFA



posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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Of course Learhoag, and nice to see you here in the Battle of LA thread!


I don't have much time to explain it all now, but here is the link to the full thread where you can learn how to upload images according to the new policy.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy
I'll be back online tomorrow most likely, ta ta for now!

-WFA



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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Okay, I'd like to start this photo recounting of the Re-Enactment in the order I saw things there.

Right after entering the front gate, I witnessed torches being lit. It was an interesting combination of electric light and fire light. It really set the mood for the era right off the bat. Here are three short images of the torches:

Lighting the Lights (Youths being instructed)...


Lighting the Lights (Close Up)...


Lights Lit...



-WFA


... more to come as time allows ...



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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wow at last somebody is taking up this case seriously

i love the fact that weve established that in the speed and time it took to get from point a to b theres no way it was a balloon or a conventional aircraft

if done correctly,
this could be the one case where skeptics are left clueless and at least we have the firm evidence of an extra terrestrial vessel in our skies!

keep up the good work and dont let this thread die!



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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Next up there were classic cars from the time period, and then various classic Army Vehicles on display...


Classic Cars:


More Cars:


Classic Car in front of Old Barracks:


Army Jeeps:


Army ATV:


-WFA

... more to come as time allows ...



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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Before I go too much farther, and begin to launch into the AA Guns and Searchlights section of this pictorial report, I think that now would be a good time to post images of the Osgood Battery itself, the layout of the area and what that area looks like in scale.

Model of the Battery Layout:


The site where one of the Big 12 Inch Guns was posted:


The same site from above, with Army Officers for scale:


The View out over the Ocean from the Lookout's Vantage Point:


-WFA

... more to come as time allows ...



[edit on 9-3-2009 by WitnessFromAfar]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Pictures of Various Weapons from the Era that do not directly pertain to the Battle of LA...

A Torpedo:


An Anti-Submarine Mine:


Ammunition for personnel guns:


Close up of the 40mm shell:


-WFA

... more to come as time allows ...



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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Setting the scene, before the 'Air Raid'...

Images of the Band and celebratory re-enactment:






-WFA


... more to come as time allows ...



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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Searchlight Technology of the Day...

The following images are of the Searchlights themselves. Searchlight controls, and views of the Searchlight Beams I'll post in separate posts...
















posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Authentic Air Raid Signs:




-WFA


... more to come as time allows ...



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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Searchlight Controls/Operations:










-WFA

... more to come as time allows ...



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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Mobile Generators for Searchlights:














-WFA

... more to come as time allows ...



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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Okay, I've only got time for one more image today, so here it is...

An Authentic Air Raid Siren!




I'll be back on this project tomorrow, and may have some time tonight to read up on other threads


I look forward to comments and questions, should any arise...

-WFA



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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Wow, just wow!

WFA, Extralien, Leto, LazyGuy..and everyone who worked on this..APPLAUSE!!!

WFA you started what i will say is thee best thread since i have come to ATS since 2004. I have always loved this case ,i will say with a passion for the last few years and that i have missed this thread for a year+ hurts me! But i applaud you for the genuine passion i see here in finding what us true lovers of the unknown searches for.

If we all have this energy & drive you WFA & Extralien put down here no government could lie to us anymore!



[edit on 3/9/2009 by qonone]



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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Why thank you for your kind words!
You've inspired me to post a bit more tonight before hitting the sack.

Back in a bit!

-WFA




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