The Smoking (Anti-Aircraft) Guns (of Los Angeles, 1942), page 11
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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 02:03 PM by WitnessFromAfar
Hello to everyone!
It's so nice to see active engagement in this thread again, from several members. It was nice to see some of you at the Re-Enactment also

After getting home and uploading my photos/videos to our PC, I see that I have over 200 images of the event, and about 10 video clips.

I see in my U2Us here that there is a new image policy at ATS, effective March 10th, so I plan to post the relevant data in compliance with that policy.

I need to read that policy, etc. and do it correctly, but rest assured there is a lot of new data coming!!!

In this post though, before I do all the uploading, etc., I just wanted to talk a bit about the event.

The 'Time Period' was set rather well. Upon entering Fort MacArthur Museum, all visitors were obliged to wait until a Uniformed Officer had briefed us on current events (of Feburary 1942, of course) and of the necessity for secrecy about what we saw inside (so as not to allow the 'Japs' to find out...) This guy was great, and he really set the stage for the event properly.

On a side note, my girlfriend is half japanese, and this of course colored our thinking throughout the trip. There is a lot of history there, and neither side is painted particularly well from the remnant newspapers of the day, from our modern vantage point.

The equipment around was for the most part, accurate. There was a generator for one of the Searchlights that was made in 1945, but honestly, it was pretty neat even though it was made a few years after the event.

There were Searchlights, there were support trucks for the Lights (they were mobile even back in 1942). I got video clips of people aiming and rotating the lights also.

Many people dressed in period, wearing military uniforms or 1940's attire. There was a Stage made up outside the old Battery installation, and a band played while people danced to the swing music.

We explored all over the grounds, and were able to walk right up to the location where the big guns were housed. I got lots of pictures, including a great shot of the ocean from the vantage point of the lookouts.

I captured an image of the Air Raid Siren, it was very old and appeared in disrepair. It certainly worked though, when they turned it on later that evening. It wasn't as loud as the tornado sirens we had back in the midwest, but it was loud enough to get the job done, and my GF covered her ears until it ended.

Inside the Battery, was the main 'museum' section. There I was able to photograph several of the newspapers I've been looking for, and read them in more depth. I plan to return at some point when it's less crowded, to complete my documentation of those archives. Also inside the museum, were an Anti-Submarine Mine, and a 12 Inch Incindiary Shell!!!!!

WOW was I wrong about those things when I pictured them in my mind. I thought they were 12 inches long. NO! These puppies are 12 inches in DIAMETER! I can't wait to post this image, this thing was ENORMOUS.

I documented a recreation of an Air Raid Station, complete with icon imagery. I also got a picture of the huge loading stick (took several men to lift it) that jammed the large shells into the big guns.

I got a lot of GREAT data, and I can't wait to post it. All in all, the trip was a huge success.


It is there that my positive critique of the event ends. When the 'Air Raid' itself began, I must admit I was highly disappointed in the way the event was depicted.

For one thing, there was no 'object', no toy blimp, no airplane, no anything.
The next historical inaccuracy I found unforgivable. At NO point during the ENTIRE event did the Searchlights EVER converge for ANY length of time.

I sat there trying to get a picture of convergence for a LONG time. Since the iconic image from the event shows the Searchlights converged, I think it would be reasonable to re-create at least that much of the event. Frankly, I found it inaccurate that this was not attempted.

Essentially, they played the sounds of planes flying overhead (propeller planes), while fireworks simulated automatic gunfire from along the coast. Large fireworks (which all came from the same place and targeted wildly different areas of the sky) represented the AA fire.

The presentation led one to believe that we were bombed that evening in 1942, and specifically bombed by the Japanese.

I personally find this not only historically inaccurate, but cowardly. The United States Army, TO THIS DAY, categorizes this event as UnExplained.
To attempt to paint it in such a light is misleading and intellectually dishonest.



Well, that's my review. I plan to post the pics and video I gathered throughout the week, as I get it in line with ATS's new policies. I hope to start it either late tonight or tomorrow.

It's wonderful to see you all here investigating this mystery! I'll be back soon with more of what I've learned!

-WFA


reply posted on 6-3-2009 @ 11:44 AM by Plusthon
Hello WitnessFromAfar

I have an idea

I have the impression that there is a problem in that image.

After many calcule I think this picture is reversed

could you check and inform you for whether there was a problem between "the printer" and the photo




Bye Plusthon


reply posted on 6-3-2009 @ 01:58 PM by WitnessFromAfar
reply to post by Plusthon



Hello Plusthon, from what I've been able to verify with a modern image of the same area, the photo seems to be properly aligned. In the present day image I presented on Page 10, you can see that the peak in question, and much of the hillside have been reformed over the last 60 years, and housing (or some sort of structure) is now present.

Frank Warren, an ATS member here, is reported to have the original LA times photo. You can U2U him directly if you'd like, and ask for further verification.

From seeing the area firsthand (you can go to La Cienega and Jefferson in Los Angeles and still get a decent view and first person perspective of the area) it looks like the posted photo was not reversed.

Please let me know though, if you find evidence to the contrary, and I'll gladly examine it.

To everyone else reading the thread - my apologies for not getting my images from the re-enactment up this week. I'm hoping to have time to get to it over the weekend. My schedule has been very full this week.

-WFA



reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 08:27 PM by WitnessFromAfar
reply to post by Learhoag



Of course Learhoag, and nice to see you here in the Battle of LA thread!

I don't have much time to explain it all now, but here is the link to the full thread where you can learn how to upload images according to the new policy.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy I'll be back online tomorrow most likely, ta ta for now!

-WFA


reply posted on 10-3-2009 @ 01:41 AM by WitnessFromAfar
reply to post by qonone



Why thank you for your kind words!
You've inspired me to post a bit more tonight before hitting the sack.
Back in a bit!

-WFA
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