How many lies does it take to start a war?

According to the non-profit 'Centre for Public Integrity' www.publicintegrity.org... the Bush Administration made 935 false statements between 9/11 and the start of the Iraq war.

So, regardless of your political persuasion, a man can be impeached for doing the dirty with a member of the office staff but not for leading a countries military into a quagmire.

For those who say he was unaware it was false information, how is it that a decision on going to war can be made on the loosest of information but a decision on climate change cannot be made until 'all the facts are on the table', in the face of overwhelming scientific fact.

Here we go again.
Doing the dirty is not the same as lying under oath?
How can it be a quagmire when things are going well?

Slippery slope but false information is not same as a lie.
If you had info about something that later turned out to be false or incomplete does not make you a liar?

The difference is AlGore and Michael Moore can be considered liars with all the false statements that come out of there mouths because they knew from the very beginning what they would be spewing would be false, still they went ahead with it.

I'm not spinning or defending the man but Bush did not know.
Body language experts have said he actually believed the initial reports were true, this was based on his mannerisms and body language.
When it was later proven to be false the mannerisms and body language also revealed acknowledgement of having been duped.
Each time sincerity was involved.

Something to be said about that.

Originally posted by Alxandro

How can it be a quagmire when things are going well?

going well? i guess it is "only" 4000 dead soldiers right? ohh and this..

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Six U.S. troops were killed in Iraq on Monday, making 2007 the deadliest for the American military in the Iraq war.

I'm not spinning or defending the man but Bush did not know.
Body language experts have said he actually believed the initial reports were true

did those body language experts mention anything about bush wanting to invade iraq in 1999?

www.gnn.tv...

or the fact that bush's secretary of state and his national security advisor said otherwise only a few months before 911. maybe they read different intelligence than bush did. or maybe he is full of S#%t .. the world may never know.

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You have got to be kidding. 932 mistakes? Let me repeat that number for you 932.

Sure hind sight is 20/20 but this number shows that there was willful disregard for the truth.

Also, what is it you mean by

"Doing the dirty is not the same as lying under oath?..Slippery slope but false information is not same as a lie". Sounds like you are talking about being less than perfectly honest, which as far as most are concerned is the same thing as lying.

Originally posted by tarichar
So, regardless of your political persuasion, a man can be impeached for doing the dirty with a member of the office staff but not for leading a countries military into a quagmire.

Clinton was going to be impeached for lying to a grand jury, not for having relations with an aide. That was just bad taste.


This is all being discussed in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Out of curiosity are you saying that Bush's obvious lies to the US population are any less damming than Clinton's lie to the grand jury?

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Lying to a grand jury results in impeachment.
lying to the american people on a massive scale leading to WAR.. seems quite a bit more serious....
As the saying goes, someone give bush *gratification*, so we can end this nightmare.

Murdering innnocents doesnt seem to bother '' religious nuts '' ( I mean americans ) as much as *gratification*..

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Originally posted by Animal
Out of curiosity are you saying that Bush's obvious lies to the US population are any less damming than Clinton's lie to the grand jury?

I'm not saying anything. Just pointing out that everyone says he was impeached for screwing around, and he wasn't. He was impeached for lying to a grand jury.

And that this is all being discussed in another thread that I attached a link to. Why have two separate threads going for pretty much the same subject?

Mr. Owl might know how many.
But then again, one mans lie is another mans freedom fighter?
Or is it not that at all?
Just saying.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Murdering innnocents doesnt seem to bother '' religious nuts '' ( I mean americans ) as much as blowjobs..

I wish I had a freakin' dime for every time I've read on this board that Americans are murdering innocents or civilians. I'd be able to retire.

Nobody seems to have noticed that this supposedly unbiased study was funded by the well known liberal "Bush Hater" George Soros. You can't take everything at face value - especially in the US media.

newsbusters.org...

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Murdering innnocents doesnt seem to bother '' religious nuts '' ( I mean americans ) as much as *gratification*..

Your constant bashing of Americans and calling us names is getting tiresome. You always claim to hate the US government and not the people but your words sure don't convey that same message.

Why don't you just take a deep breath and calm down a little!!

Originally posted by Alxandro
Here we go again.
Doing the dirty is not the same as lying under oath?
How can it be a quagmire when things are going well?

Slippery slope but false information is not same as a lie.
If you had info about something that later turned out to be false or incomplete does not make you a liar?

The difference is AlGore and Michael Moore can be considered liars with all the false statements that come out of there mouths because they knew from the very beginning what they would be spewing would be false, still they went ahead with it.

I'm not spinning or defending the man but Bush did not know.
Body language experts have said he actually believed the initial reports were true, this was based on his mannerisms and body language.
When it was later proven to be false the mannerisms and body language also revealed acknowledgement of having been duped.
Each time sincerity was involved.

Something to be said about that.

I agree 100%, but the problem on this site is they are all liberal, socialist US haters and will fight you tooth and nail.

What people can't seem to figure out is if Bush lied then the senate and congress, which both voted for the war and saw the same intelligence is filled with naive asses to have believed him then.

If they had to count the liberals hero Clintons lies, how many do you think he would have. And don't bring up the war dead because the 3000 dead from 9/11 could be blamed on Clinton. First for not getting bin laden when he had the chance and second for wussing out of somolia. By him doing that bin laden conceded that the US was weak enough to attack.

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umm, not all anti bush people are pro clinton just so you know. also stop with the partisan crap most of us are anti US imperialism that means the last several decades of presidents are idiots.

and yes the senate and congress are full of retards as well, with the exception of a few who voted correctly all along.
the real crime is the group of pro war advisors that each administration seems to keep including in their cabinet, who always seem to be from the same lobby groups or think tanks, or war profiteering company. These are the pukes who "cooked" the intel on iraq, and trying everything in the book to do the same with iran.

signed,
concealed weapon permit holding, pro-american, anti-imperialist,recycling, registered republican,
turbokid.

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'itsguysrule' noooo, itssproutsrule. He and all his big money industrial/military conglomerates. From Halliburton down to Blackwater.
Why do you bad mouth us. Easy. You stink. To high heaven. Don't let these wmd's become a mushroom cloud, while Candi goes shoe shopping as new orleans drowns. Why do you bad mouth us. As middle america goes belly up on housing repo's. Why do you bad mouth us. Because the stink of your vile, ineptitude curls my nose hairs. That's why.

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