Originally posted by ppkjjkpp

Originally posted by Thousand

Originally posted by ppkjjkpp

Including atheism. Stalin?

No, not atheism. Communism. They're not the same.

Stalin was an atheist

[edit on 25-1-2008 by ppkjjkpp]

So? Did he exterminate people because they believed in god, or did he exterminate them because they stood in the way of his idea of a Utopian state? He didn't kill because he was an atheist, he killed because he was a totalitarian dictator, and he wanted to force his views (communism, not atheism) on the world. While he did persecute the churches in Russia, he did it because they were roadblocks to his control, not because he was an atheist.

It is most clear. As the graph posted earlier shows, belief in "creationism" is strongest amongst the uneducated. The more educated the observer, the more likely he is to believe in evolution. The vast majority of scientists believe in evolution, and the poor soul above who claims evolution has "not been observed" obviously is among the poorly educated, obviously not a thinker. I believe that there may be a God. And should a God exist, it certainly does not preclude evolution any more than it precludes gravity.

The way to keep religious zealots from high-jacking threads and topics with their ridiculous mantras is to IGNORE them. Don't reference, add to, or "quote" anything they post, and eventually they will get tired of being ignored and just go somewhere else. It works on the forum I moderate, and it can work here. Act as if the particular posts don't even exist. After all, they try to pretend that those of us they can't convert will "be as if we've never been" anyway.

Creationism and evolution are apples and oranges. Creationism is faith, evolution is science. Never the twain can meet. See, faith is only belief and belief is only a person's OPINION. Cloaking opinion in smoke and mirrors by calling it FAITH doesn't change the fact that it is ONLY an opinion.

One person's opinion is no better than another's. FACT, however, is better than opinion and in my experience, people who call their opinions faith, don't care about facts when these contradict their opinions.

Teaching creationism in a science class is like teaching math in an art class. Apples and oranges. Calling evolution a theory is the most fallacious argument one can raise. Gravity also is a theory, but is supported by a preponderance of physical evidence.

The law, as a science, is also based on FACTs. In order to convict, the prosecutor must present a preponderance of evidence, i.e., facts, to overcome the presumption of innocence. Those facts must be concrete, objective and observable. Unless they are so, there is reasonable doubt. In the face of reasonable doubt, the prosecution has no case.

In the issue of creationism vs evolution, creationism has no case. On the other hand, science is based exclusively on concrete evidence and the preponderance of concrete scientific evidence is in favor of evolution. The religious evidence of creationism is not concrete, nor objective, nor observable. There is NO scientific evidence in favor of creationism. The religious evidence for creationism is exclusively the Bible.

The Bible is riddled with contradictions and errors of history. For example, Lilith was Adam's first wife and where did the wives of Cain and Able come from? Many of the place names and dates in the Bible cannot be verified, but many can be proven not to exist or not to exist as described in the Bible. For example, there is no archeological evidence the Exodus from Egypt ever took place.

Fact vs opinion. Facts belong in a science class, opinions belong in church, not school.

Does anyone think that maybe both technics were used in the creation of man?

And when you think about it, doesn't evolution seem like just another form of creation, natural creation, while simple creation (as in God/aliens) would be artificial?

But if you think about it, everything we are is a creation. Evolution is a change in the initial creation.

Originally posted by Pericle
Does anyone think that maybe both technics were used in the creation of man?

And when you think about it, doesn't evolution seem like just another form of creation, natural creation, while simple creation (as in God/aliens) would be artificial?

But if you think about it, everything we are is a creation. Evolution is a change in the initial creation.

Very well said.

Ah, another thread from the Department of Pulling Statistics Out of One's Bunghole. There are more atheists out than have been counted. Many people are too frightened to admit they're either atheists or agnostics because they're immediately attacked by so-called Christians.

Do unto others, unless they're atheist. Some religion you've got there. Christians do have some high statistics, but they're mostly for hypocritical behavior.

Atheists = always right thinking tollerant people, and larger than you know except for hiding from persecution.
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Any other BS anthems to the group you are a part of?
Their like soooo many others I have heard.
Same crap tune new words.

Originally posted by ppkjjkpp

Originally posted by melatonin

Originally posted by ppkjjkpp
Evolution doesn't rule out God? Show me a textbook that even mentions the possiblity of God.
See this is the lie evolutionists are feeding Christians. It doesn't include God at all. The textbooks say, In the beginning there was nothing.

Science textbooks focus on science, not religion.

I also hear that textbooks on chemistry, maths, and electrical engineering don't mention it either.

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The origin of life is a reasonable question. But it can't be answered because it is out of the realm of science. So why does evolution leave science to answer this?
If it's possible that evolution has God, then why do the textbooks say something completely unscientific by stating in the beginning there was nothing.

Errmmm...Evolution IS science 'Origins of life is out of the realms of science?' How so?? Life is all about biology - and biology IS science...

J.

Originally posted by CynCritter
The way to keep religious zealots from high-jacking threads and topics with their ridiculous mantras is to IGNORE them. Don't reference, add to, or "quote" anything they post, and eventually they will get tired of being ignored and just go somewhere else. It works on the forum I moderate, and it can work here. Act as if the particular posts don't even exist. After all, they try to pretend that those of us they can't convert will "be as if we've never been" anyway.

Hmmm...interesting idea there. And you are probably right - but I have a hell of a hard time ignoring some of the inane, ignorant and downright stupid comments christian extemists make on these forums sometimes....

Still, I may give that a try...

Thanks.

J.