Originally posted by Myollinir
evolution is probably one of the most broken theories ever created (for explanation as to why we are here that is...)
That's like saying a car is one of the most broken vehicles ever created because it can't be used for transoceanic flights. The theory of evolution makes no claims regarding the origin of life, only the origin of species aka biodiversity. Anyone who tried to tell you otherwise needs to reeducate themselves on it.
nobody has addressed the absolute smallest level of matter when it comes to evolution... well not THE smallest but I'm talking about a cellular level. where did these cells develop the ability to evolve? there has to be some kind of forming point where the ability to evolve was installed in the reproduction/growth of these cells that make up organisms that can "evolve". evolution is not a starting theory like creation is. i believe evolution definitely exists...but it doesn't prove a damn as to why we showed up on this rock....
Agreed, see above reply. But keep in mind that creationism isn't a theory at all - theories require an overwhelming body of evidence supporting them. There is no evidence for creationism.
this one perfect rock, that science is continuing to prove is the only one out there that can sustain life like us. life so perfect and unique, on a planet that is perfectly set on a perfect run around a star, in a perfect solar system that is set up to catch most danger floating our way.
This is equivalent to a puddle saying that pothole it was formed in must have been created specifically for it. It's backwards logic that presupposes your conclusion, and you capture that perfectly when you say "life like us". And given that we're only recently able to gather in depth data on extrasolar planets, I think the jury is still out on whether or not this is the only planet able to sustain life like us, not to mention other forms of life.
creation is a good thing. it gives inspiration to be a good person and to share with one another. atheism and science is all full of haughty and pompous people who can't handle an answer that is so benevolent... being a good person? who would want that. it always disheartens me to see a dispute between "creationists" and "evolutionists" because the only point is to disprove the other but ridiculous reasoning such as "you can't prove that" or "it is SO totally forced".
Does it also give inspiration to be a bigot against people who don't believe in something similar? There's no evidence to show that proponents of evolutionary theory are any less "good" than those who believe in creationism. To suggest otherwise is bigotry based on personal belief.
religion and science can work hand in hand. we are just figuring the answers out in our own minds that we were given before the full answers are shown to us when we pass to the ultimate existence. when I say we were "given" our minds, I'm stating that it is very hard to explain how our consciousness evolved, when no other organism currently possesses our level of self awareness... our knowledge that we will die some day and that we do definitely exist. and to be honest creation seems to ring a few more bells than evolution in this category.
If you met hominids from, say, 1M years ago, do you think you would recognize them as possessing the same level of self-awareness that we do? Life hasn't stopped evolving.
and why are [most] people driven to live good lives? to give to others in a world where giving to others gets you no where. this world is full of greed, and it is the greatest way to get to the top. why would anyone care about helping someone cross the road today if it doesn't matter at all? don't you think we are semi aware of some sort of cosmic justice that exists beyond this existence?
I think the reasons for people living "good" lives are as varied as people are themselves.
