Proof That All Islam Is Radical?

Has anyone seen this story?

Islam 'insult' student faces death

KABUL A journalism student has been sentenced to death in Afghanistan for distributing a paper that allegedly insulted Islam.

insulting islam equals death

This is completely insane. After a decision like this, how can you say that not all Islam is radical. They want to put this guy to death over a paper that insults a religion? Bizarre. I wish I knew what the insulting comment actually was. How bad could it have been though? Enough to put a man to death? I highly doubt it. This just further affirms in my mind that organized religion, no matter what it is, is RADICAL. If I am wrong, someone please educate me on the beliefs of Islam because I would guess, only a guess, that they do not preach the death of anyone who Insults them.

reply to post by palehorse23


this is an incident in AFGHANISTAN... seriously, of all places you're going to cite AFGHANISTAN as proof that "all" islam is radical?

this tells me nothing of all the indonesian muslims, pakistani muslims, american muslims, british muslims, etc etc

it's impossible for an entire religion to be radical, not enough people can be that bothered...
though i guess a really, really small religion might be able to.

if you want to proof that all islam is radical you need to research the entire history of islam and then look what the history of religious violence was.

Originally posted by palehorse23
Has anyone seen this story?
This is completely insane. After a decision like this, how can you say that not all Islam is radical.

For the very obvious reason that this is minority Islam, not universal Islam. Please give more thought to what you're saying. I can prove that not all Islam is radical because I have both researched the religion itself and have close friends who are a) Muslims and b) not radical. Can you say the same?

You may as well say "all seafood is bad for you" because one prawn makes you sick.

LW

I think it would be impossible to describe me as an Islamic apologist, however, I honestly think that to say, "All Islam is radical" is inaccurate.
There are numerous Muslims and interpretations of Islam that genuinely do preach tolerance and peace.
Unfortunately they do not appear to be as vocal as their extremist brethren and MSM tends to concentrate on the more sales worthy fundamentalists, possibly as they have a more direct and influential impact on current world affairs.

If you examine the history of Islam then you find that once over it was considered the most tolerant and liberal religion and provided safe harbour for many freethinking individuals who were persecuted in their Christian administered homelands.
This was during the time of The Spanish Inquisition and the predominance of Puritanical Christian beliefs.

Since those days it seems as if the Christian faith has advanced somewhat and the majority of Christians seem more tolerant and accepting of other faiths and beliefs.
It weaves its particular brand of indoctrination through subtler means nowadays.

Alas, it seems that Islam has regressed.
With the emergence of Israel and Islamic nation states, it seems that particularly vile interpretations of Islam are becoming increasing influential.
These brands of Islam are evil and preach the imposition of Sharia Law, everywhere, and are actively seeking, by any means possible, to force their beliefs on us all.
Through intimidation, indoctrination and cultural influences they appear to have muted the majority of Muslims into ignoring their activities.

For some reason, and I recognise that this is a massive generalisation, Muslims appear to admit any responsibility for the current state of affairs and constantly blame other countries / beliefs / countries / individuals for any event that happens anywhere.
There response to everything seems to be “yes but..”, “it wouldn’t happen if you hadn’t ....” etc, etc. The stock responses are endless.

I accept that Islam in itself is not evil and the majority of Muslims are far from being “bad people” but they must start accepting some responsibility for the actions carried out in their name.
They must start asking, “What can we do to stop this from happening again”, “Why do we allow this to happen in our name”, “Why have we allowed these evil people to have so much influence”, etc.
They are not solely responsible, of course not.
Some of the actions carried out in the name of Western “Civilization” disgusts me.
Which is one of the reasons why a large proportion of people actively seek to influence the actions of our leaders.
But Muslims must accept that they too have contributed to the whole sorry mess.
At present, they seem to be in total denial of any responsibility at all.

To summarise; no, not all Islam is radical, they just need to start standing up for themselves against the radicals.

Apologies for yet another rant.

Reply to all. Maybe I spoke hastily. But what really bothers me is that there are even radical sides of religion, no matter what religion it is. This is why religion is bogus in my eyes. The problem I have is that it is allowed to continue. The Afghan government are the ones who decided in this case. How does that happen? It is a matter of forcing what they feel should be followed in the Islamic religion. Should not be that way IMO. I am aware that there are peaceful aspects to all religions. Just get annoyed with the whole subject sometimes. I figured my comments would rile at least a few feathers. There is a point in that MSM only potrays the negative side of pretty much everything, especially religion when it comes to an area that we do not have great foreign relations with.

reply to post by palehorse23


the government of afghanistan is not interested in democracy just like the government of iraq is not interested either---we are wasting our time young men and women and finances on a people that have no intentions of changing for the better.

we have more than enough criminal activity in north america to require our attention----the mexican border and illegals and vicious street gangs/mafia from mexico and central/south america.

pres. bush should wage war against them first and clean them out before we try to help the rest of the world that mostly hates us.

if its so tolerant can you explain the shia law that allows a male to kill a female family member because she is raped by a male family member.

Can you explain why there is the need to shiled women from gang rape that requires her to have 4/5 indepented MALE witness. AND if she does she is still killed by the family for being dirty.

Religon is a curse on humanity

How many moderate Arab nations exist vs how many Islamic nations exist? Islam encourages theocracy over democracy, it is a radical religion when applied literally. Now people can argue that there is a strong presence of Christianity in the U.S., but it's not like they're going to kill you for not being Christian. You have the freedom to exercise whatever beliefs or non beliefs you have within the law.
Islam acts as the three branches of government in most Arab countries, hence they are appropriately called -Islamic nations- and anything or anyone in disagreement with certain aspects of Islam are quickly silenced.
Now I'm not saying all Muslims are necessarily radicals themselves, but I do believe the nature of their religion is and that would mean that Muslims could easily fall under the influences of radical Islam..as is the case pretty much.

Folks, we need to take one step back here, please. We are falling prey to Government propaganda spread through the Government approved media organisations. As a younger man, I still remember the paranoia and propaganda released on a daily basis against Communism. Hollywood films would be shown with kids playing at shooting hidden 'Commies. ' Government sponsored Institutes would release news about 68000 'sleeper' Communist agents. the Communists were the bad guys.

People of a generation before me would remember the McCarthy witch hunts and gang stalking of Socialist/Communist sympathisers. The propaganda was constant and regular to have a 'drip drip' effect on the subconscious mind.

I am alarmed at the amount of people on ATS who seem to be affected by the current 21st Century propaganda, crude and transparent as it is. We have allowed ourselves to be duped again.

My point is WHO'S NEXT? The Chinese seem to be growing their economy at an exponential rate. All we need is a stand-off between America and China over trade deficits and the Chinese will then become as 'evil' and 'scheming' as the Muslims. Please rationalise what you see in the Media.

If Jesus was alive today, I am sure he would preach tolerance and love not suspicion and hate.