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I am Jesse Macbeth, this my response to the world

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posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
And terrorists scream "Allahu Akbar!" when they detonate homicide bombs in crowded marketplaces. So what?


So the muslim extremist who kills in God's name is no different from the Christian soldier who prays to Jesus before killing civilians.

Do you have a problem with that logic? Or does having the Army and military-industrial-complex behind you make you morally superior to the muslim extremist? You're both killing for no good reason. America is not behind the war in Iraq, the war machine and billionaire criminals are. This war on Terror is the direct result of the war machine and billionaire criminals funding it.

They didn't teach you this in Boot camp, and you're never going to admit it on your own. Leave the free thinking to the real Americans.




posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:02 PM
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do you even have any idea what these military members are praying?

You are acting like they are praying "Oh Jesus, please let me murder all the women and children" and pillage their villages.

Have you ever even been in the military in Iraq or Afganistan and had to leave the somewhat saftey of the base and put your life in harms way????

Let me tell you what they are probably praying:

"Lord, help me do what is right"
"Keep me and my fellow soldiers safe"
"Keep my family back at home safe and let them know I love them"
"Keep the peace so that NOBODY gets hurt or killed"

And I could go on.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
This is absolutely FALSE.

I know of a couple of high ranking OFFICERS who are practicing Muslims. One is Air Force, one is Army. Most bases have services for Muslims, as they do for Protestants, Catholics, etc. The Muslim faith is actualy VERY accepted in the military and they are provided the means to practice it.


Hey, that's great. The Army is still a mind control syndicate designed by Nazis and funded by a criminal war regime, and Muslims are considered the enemy among the majority of your racist and xenophobic soldiers.

It matters little to me what the Army says to legally distance itself from said racists and xenophobes. They are still in the Army, and I don't have a hard time believing that there are superiors who hate Muslims.

I didn't once say that Muslims are not allowed in the Army, I didn't ONCE say they are not allowed to practice their religion. I said that the majority of soldiers pray to Jesus before they go out and shoot down Islamic civilians.

Thanks anyway.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver
So the muslim extremist who kills in God's name is no different from the Christian soldier who prays to Jesus before killing civilians.


Here we go again. Troops killing civilians. Some people just don't know when to quit.

You're right. When US troops come under fire from insurgents (or Freedom Fighters to you), the first thing they do, after praying, is think, "Hey, let's waste some kids. They're WAY easier to kill than the guy shooting at me."

And you better step back and flush out your headgear before you start comparing US Troops to Muslim extremists that are actually killing civilians with their bombs. You're better off comparing us to Nazis.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
do you even have any idea what these military members are praying?

You are acting like they are praying "Oh Jesus, please let me murder all the women and children" and pillage their villages.



I was raised Christian. I know how prayers go, thanks. I understand they pray for their own safety etc.

The fact is they pray to the same lord who once lived in the Middle East before going out and shooting civilian muslim 'insurgents' in the head.

I could care less what words they utter to their God before committing such acts. Muslim insurgents or Christian American soldiers... both are guilty of murder, regardless of their religion.

I know you are pro-military judging by your activity in other threads. I do not expect you to speak about such things without a heavy bias. This goes for all the pro-army posters on this forum.

[edit on 24-1-2008 by NewWorldOver]



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:10 PM
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I said that the majority of soldiers pray to Jesus before they go out and shoot down Islamic civilians.


You are stating your opinions. Not fact.

Plus you said in so many words that Muslims in the US Army are treated horribly. That is not fact. That is JUST your opinion.

You have no proof that the majority of soldiers are praying to Jesus or even praying at all. Plus, you have no idea what they are praying. Your negative attitude automatically assumes that the majority of soldiers are praying for a good shot at all the children running around.

Your opinion is just that.......opinion. Which you are certainly intitled too. How sad that you have such a negative one. *sigh*



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

And you better step back and flush out your headgear before you start comparing US Troops to Muslim extremists that are actually killing civilians with their bombs. You're better off comparing us to Nazis.


That's true. I am better off comparing 'us' to Nazis.

Nazi Germany was full of people who believed they were fighting for their nation, fighting for freedom, fighting the 'enemy' etc. I see no difference in the American soldier who puts a bullet through the head of a 15 year old 'insurgent' civillian. It happens all the time. You are no better than the Nazis in that regard.

History will feel the same way about this war and the people who fought it. I'm just saying it right now.

[edit on 24-1-2008 by NewWorldOver]



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:13 PM
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So what? So what if individuals pray. The military allows all religions to be practiced........including people who dont want anything to do with religion. If they pray before going out....so what? It has no bearing on anything. Its for their own peace of mind - that it!

The military does not force religion on anyone.........nor do they prevent the practice of it.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
You are stating your opinions. Not fact.

Plus you said in so many words that Muslims in the US Army are treated horribly. That is not fact. That is JUST your opinion.


You're right. These are my opinions. They happen to be the opinion of the majority of the world, but Americans (especially pro-military) have their thumbs in their ears.

I didn't say Muslims in the Army were treated horribly. I said I can easily imagine it being that way, because I know people in the service who hate Muslims and are extremely racist.

I recommend you pro-military posters take a deep breather and actually read posts before going on the attack.

[edit on 24-1-2008 by NewWorldOver]



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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Hey, I'm gonna take five and run out to the 7-11 for a Diet Coke and some Twizzlers. Want me to pick up a clue for you? I think they're on sale.

How this thread went from torching Jesse Macbeth to US troops being Nazis, I don't know. Freakin' soup sandwich.

Where are you getting your information that US troops shoot civilians? I'm just curious. Youtube? Prisonplanet? Al-Jeezera?

Since you're obviously not in the service, your posts aren't carrying too much weight with those of us that are or were in the military. We know what actually goes on with the military during combat. I didn't get my combat experience from playing PlayStation or Xbox in Mom's basement.

So, duff up some credible sources to your accusations.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65
Where are you getting your information that US troops shoot civilians? I'm just curious. Youtube? Prisonplanet? Al-Jeezera?


Al-Jeezera. That's cute.

655,000 Civilians Dead After Invasion - Conservative Estimate

Even more conserative estimate of 35,000+ innocent civilians killed since Invasion

Estimate of 85,000 Civilians dead

Now, you can claim all you want that none of those were caused by American gunfire. But returning veterans from Iraq will punch you in the face for lying. They've seen innocents die at the hands of fellow soldiers. You can deny it all you want behind your cozy computer screen, it makes no difference to me.

Also, you can stamp your feet and cry about the sources all you want. There are plenty more, go look them up. I don't see a single estimate under the 30,000.

That's 30,000 innocent people (at LEAST) , children among them, dead because of this war. Deny it all you want.

Cya.

[edit on 24-1-2008 by NewWorldOver]



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:27 PM
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NWO do you believe in God........Before you walked on a battle field you would pray to him too. Pray for your life and pray for your soul. Pray for forgiveness for what you might have to do....I dont think you are finding Christians praying to God to Kill Iraqis....Cmon



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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Iraq Body Count? Oh, yeah, now that's a source that might not be skewing their facts just a bit.


I wonder if any of these sources show how many were killed by some insurgent with a car bomb and a grudge?



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by birchtree
NWO do you believe in God........Before you walked on a battle field you would pray to him too. Pray for your life and pray for your soul. Pray for forgiveness for what you might have to do....I dont think you are finding Christians praying to God to Kill Iraqis....Cmon

Dude, I didn't say Christians pray for ultra-aim so they can shoot a bunch of Muslims. They pray, period. They pray to Jesus to protect them, then they walk out and shoot 16 year old insurgents in the head.

I do have my own understanding of God, and he has NOTHING to do with this bogus war and all the morons fighting it. I already said who is responsible for that.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65
Iraq Body Count? Oh, yeah, now that's a source that might not be skewing their facts just a bit.



Translation: I'm going to stamp my feet and cry about the source. I presented three seperate sources, but you choose to cry about that instead of acknowledge the rest of my post.

I'm glad I predicted it at least


This thread was not to debate the situation in Iraq, but I seem to be derailing it. If you want to argue about the war and general, go start a new thread.


[edit on 24-1-2008 by NewWorldOver]



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver
But returning veterans from Iraq will punch you in the face for lying. They've seen innocents die at the hands of fellow soldiers. You can deny it all you want behind your cozy computer screen, it makes no difference to me.[edit on 24-1-2008 by NewWorldOver]


"Cozy computer screen". I'll remember that next time I go overseas.

Innocents do die in war. I imagine that US troops have killed civilians. You're saying that they shoot them intentionally. That's where you're wrong.

Until you actually move out from Mom's house and join the military, you'll never know the truth (which I heard sets you free).



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by jsobecky
And terrorists scream "Allahu Akbar!" when they detonate homicide bombs in crowded marketplaces. So what?


So the muslim extremist who kills in God's name is no different from the Christian soldier who prays to Jesus before killing civilians.

Do you have a problem with that logic?

What "logic"? Stringing a few words together to make a sentence does not make it a logical truism.

You don't understand the difference between the two, it seems. Else you wouldn't be trying to somehow mix religion in here as a defense for MacBeth and an apology for the terrorists.

You're confused. And the fact that you hate Christians as well as the military tell me that you're probably quite young, to boot.



Originally posted by NewWorldOver
They didn't teach you this in Boot camp, and you're never going to admit it on your own. Leave the free thinking to the real Americans.

Believe me, you're no Ayn Rand. Not even in the same league, regardless of your avatar.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver
Translation: I'm going to stamp my feet and cry about the source. I presented three seperate sources, but you choose to cry about that instead of acknowledge the rest of my post.
[edit on 24-1-2008 by NewWorldOver]


Well, get a reliable source. And the second source used the third source as it's reference.

The first source doesn't make any sort of difference between those killed by Coalition gunfire and those taken out and executed by insurgants. And is also uses some of Iraq Body Count figures.



[edit on 24-1-2008 by jerico65]



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65
Innocents do die in war. I imagine that US troops have killed civilians. You're saying that they shoot them intentionally. That's where you're wrong.


No, I didn't say they intentionally shoot innocents


I swear pro-military posters have a serious reading disability.

I said they shoot civilians, and they do. A civilian becomes an 'insurgent' once he's killed by American gunfire. Say what you want. Denial sounds the same in every language.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky

You're confused. And the fact that you hate Christians as well as the military tell me that you're probably quite young, to boot.


This is where I stop responding to you, and your nonsense.

If you check my post history, and my THREADS, you will see that I defend religion and Christians in general ALL THE TIME on ATS.

I post, in this exact thread, that I was raised a Christian


As I said, you pro-military types are so outrageously biased that you will throw any mud you can at me to deny what I say. It's pitiful. And on that note, I leave this thread to it's own flaming death. Fire away, HOO RAH!



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