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I am Jesse Macbeth, this my response to the world

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posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 01:13 AM
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For what it's worth, I do not believe that Mr. Macbeth is beyond redemption.

I do not agree with much he has said and done, but one has to consider that there is a viscious cycle here that he is caught in, and has been caugght in since he was a kid. I know that at 18 you are expected to "be a man," but I say he was just a kid who made some really bad decisions, just like a lot of kids do. On top of that, he didn't exactly have a good place to start. At least he tried joiing the Army. He could have gone straight to gang bangin'.

This is not absolution however. You have done your time Mr. Macbeth, now it is time to be a man and right your wrongs even if it takes you the rest of your life.

"The truth shall set you free..."



[edit on 1/24/0808 by jackinthebox]




posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 01:14 AM
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Hrmm...out of curiosity...what company where you in....2/19 1/19 1/50???? Im assuming you were ITB correct?11bangbang? And i have a hard time believing you based on the fact that nothing goes unknown in bootcamp...we knew anything even remotely important/special/exciting that happened to ANYONE in our company....simple based on the fact that you dont have a life or really any form of entertainment in basic....minus reading you IET handbook or the bible or shining your boots....which, unfortunately cause i enjoyed doing it, you cant do with the acu boots. So....if what happened really happened then its apauling(sp). But i have a hard time because theres aloooooooot fo people in your battalion that would of known, # theres alot of people in your company that would of known.

Im not saying your lying or judging you by any means. I am genuinely interested as to what really happened and what can be done to correct anything that did happen...

[edit on 24-1-2008 by SilentBob86]



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 05:42 AM
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What your doing now is advertising looking to get picked up by some groupe.

Go back to Saudi............?



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 06:15 AM
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So instead of coming out with made-up stories about war crimes... why didn't you just come out to the media about the atrocities youu claim to have suffered in boot camp?

Out of your whole platoon, I would bet that at least one person wouuld have come forward to support your allegations.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 07:18 AM
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2 questions ,

1 - if this story is true - why did you not use it as your platform for anti war activism ? IMHO it has a much greater ` punch ` than the lies [ which you now admit to ] about your " service "

2 - what evidence do you have for this new account ? we know you lied previously - so are automatically skeptical of you - why should we believe this story ?



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall
Basically you're a selfish, childish liar.


He did his time for it.

Would you like him, or anyone, to make a cursory judgement of your life, Valhall, in the same demeaning way?

Thought not.

You are talking to another one of God's children. Show some respect.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 07:22 AM
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LMAO...

So this is what you were commenting on in my profile, Steve?

He's a convicted a liar with an admitted childish and selfish reason for those lies.

Calling him what he's been convicted of isn't against the T&C of this board.

I'm not judging him, I'm calling him on his actions....they can easily be identified and named. If you drive, you're a driver, if you run, you're a runner, if you lie, you're a liar...it's about that easy.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 07:34 AM
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I don't know if this member is Jesse MacBeth but just in case he is, I would like him to address some information that surfaced back in 2001 that mentions the name.

Since the member is attempting to come clean, I would like to see some clarification on the following:


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Originally posted by JacKatMtn
I know this is a little old but in searching the archives I have found a thread on the old IKON board discussing a member named Elyph from 2001.

The OP (Lorden), posted this:



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"Elyph is for real on what he has been saying. his step father worked for bin laden in 98 on the bombing on the american embassy's elyph real name is jesse adam macbeth he lives in protective custody somewhere he wont tell me where. he is black and arabic his mom is black and his father is from baharain. he is 17 years old and started with his step father to join bin laden in 98 when he was 14 he has hacked into several government systems from the whitehouse to nasa he is very smart and sneaky but i dont get why he would post what he knowon the internet i dont think hr realizes are just doesent care how much danger he is putting himself in.

ask more if you wish "

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the druids shall one day rise again

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Total Posts: 19 | Joined Sep. 2001 | Posted on: 9:15 pm on Sep. 18, 2001


emphasis: mine

Is this the same Macbeth? Sounds like this prankster was around before the '03 ranger episode?



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 07:54 AM
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First of all, I don't even believe you are the guy you are pretending to be.

Secind, if you are, then you got exactly what you deserved as you are nothing more than a scam artist.

Third, and most important, please take an English class and learn how to spell and write above a first grade level.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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correct me if i am wrong valhall, but are you not a church going christian? if so, could you tell me exactly what your church teaches about forgiving those that repent of their sins? is it different from what jesus actually taught his followers?

this guy (if real) is saying he is sorry for what he did (and he MAY be telling the truth). if you don't believe him them take him up on his offer of investigating his story of what happened to him in boot camp. you're no stranger to investigating things and have earned much respect here for it.

your attitude towards him appears to be more like a westbro baptist than a real 'christian' who are after all supposed to to be all about loving and forgiving and turning the other cheek and do unto others etc etc, or at least that's what i was taught. i wonder, do you class yourself as a patriotic american first or a christian?

here is your (and other ats members) opportunity to prove (or disprove) if this guy was treated abominably by the military. if it's true, do you think it should be exposed or covered up? are you on the side of the truth or not? will you give him a chance to prove his case or not? will you accept he could actually genuinely be sorry for something he did or just judge him forever for his irresponsible past actions?



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:19 AM
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Well said mate.

This thread is certainly quite revealing in regards to the level of 'enlightment', you could say, that some of these members are really on...

Simply shocking.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by Buck Division
I found the following “Dryken” profile on the “Earth Special Forces” forum, located here. The birthday in that profile is close, but wrong. The location (Washington State) appears to be correct.

Jesse Macbeth’s original “MySpace" page is located here, and the last login date looks like today. (The pseudonym “Jesse Shadowhart” is referenced in the Wikipedia article.)

There is an old "Dryken" profile on ATS, dated August 2005, strangely located here. The profile is tagged "Denied". I wonder what that means?

The posting style on these sites look a bit familiar, hmmm?

Not to me, they don't. The OP was illiterate to the point where it seemed contrived, whereas the links you provided showed some education.

Someone went out of their way to make the OP sound so bleak. Trolling for the sympathy vote, methinks.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I think I can sympathize with you Jesse. Unfortunately, as you may expect, you've lost some credibility with the masses since your false testimony. I would love to see the records of your conversations about the complaints you made against your Drill Sergent and the like. If the army is really this prejudiced against Muslim recruits I will lose much of the respect I have for them.

However, it wouldn't surprise me. I know the army has a history of prejudice, and this just seems to be the modern incarnation of it.

Stay strong.


Rasobasi,

I agree with you

What this person did shows us how far a lie can go until exposed. It is amazing that the US government can still continue to lie to the masses and people know it, but no accountability.

Amazingly one individual can be singled out a liar and made an example of.

It's appears that when there is a mob mentality it is harder to single a person out and place the blame, so the large group can get away with lies and no accountability.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:32 AM
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I love all you people. Just thought I'd mention that. This, however, reminds me of a lynch mob. Even if the man is 100 percent off his rocker lying, again, you still should reserve judgement until the evidence currently, matches the crime. It's wrong, I believe, to convict a second time for the same crime, isn't it? They call that double jeopardy? Surely, we've all heard of reform?



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:33 AM
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If this is Jesse, what are the legal implications?


Will the former Drill Sgt. be able to file a multi-million dollar civil suit against Jesse for these public accusations?

Does the halfway house that Jesse is ordered to live at know he is posting these public accusations?

What will his probation officer do if he is made aware of this thread?

What will happen when the U.S. Attorney that prosecuted him, finds out what Jesse is posting? (Jeff.C.Sullivan@usdoj.gov)

What will Chief U.S. District Court Judge Robert Lasnik, (who kindly gave Jesse a light sentance), do when he hears about Jesse posting these allegations?

Did Jesse even think about these things before he posted?



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:43 AM
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion and there is nothing wrong with being a little frustrated with a situation sometimes. My response to an individual of this caliber is not going to be all peachy.

He came on here to get feedback and I gave him some personal feedback. I'm not going to feel bad for voicing my opinion on someones character.

He messed up and I'm not going to tip toe around his feelings just because he graced the forums with his presence.

"he served his time"

::shrugs::

So!

Doing time in prison is not like getting baptized. You do not have all of your sins washed away. He will have to live with what he did & said, thats the true punishment.

Its his responsibility/choice to redeem himself by doing honorable deeds to try to make up for that.
Part of that process is taking responsibility for what he did and respecting others feelings if he asks for feedback.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:46 AM
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Ok,

So I've read through this thread, and don't see Jesse posting any further information. I said I'd withhold judgment until I got all of the facts, so think of this as me forming an opinion that could be changed...

but

WhiteOneActual made some good points here.
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I know the military has had a history of racism, which is why I didn't dismiss the post offhand. But, it does beg the question, why did no one help you while you were chained to the post? That's my biggest question. I know some people in the Army and although they're from what I'd consider a more liberal area, I doubt that if any one of them saw such actions they'd let it slide. All it takes is one whistle blower.

Like I said before, your credibility is severely damaged with the masses, and I'm still giving you the benefit of the doubt. But these are some hefty allegations and you haven't done much to back it up yet. And, because of your history you're going to have to work doubly hard to get half the credit.



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by earthman4
Your lies and actions were nothing compared to the crimes commited by the leaders of the US. They should be the ones incarcerated. I can tell you are angry and want revenge. Go on with your life and realize that these things are beyond anyone's control. Many in the armed forces are fighting for lies and they will learn soon. This war scam relies on ignorance and anger, deny them.


HERE HERE



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 08:53 AM
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Good Luck Sir, I like your statement, about what ever you think the governments motives are. There are real young men and women on the ground in Iraq that really want to make a difference and help these people. More people should realize this. And these men and women have nothing to do with the governments motives. These are real heros IMHO



posted on Jan, 24 2008 @ 09:01 AM
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Mercy is not a weakness. It's not naivete.
I know we are taught to believe it is, but really isn't. It's about understanding ourselves, true or false?



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