BREAKING NEWS: Military Offers Explanation For Stephenville UFO Reports, page 15
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reply posted on 28-1-2008 @ 10:59 PM by JRCrowley
Other than the fact that they're smirking annoyingly? No. Don't be concerned at what the talking heads are saying and doing. Many of them are just idiots and are told what to say. It's no big deal. The news reporters who report UFOs sometimes act like idiots, but the facts remain. In the Stephenville UFO case, the facts are compelling indeed.

Thanks for posting that video. I watched both Larry King episodes and wanted to check them out again. They're pretty good. Larry King certainly has a huge audience, so this is as mainstream as it gets.

I found it extremely interesting that CNN chose to add Sgt Jim Penniston as a guest on the show. The Rendlesham Forest Incident is one of the most important UFO incidents of recent times. For those who aren't that familiar with it, I strongly suggest reading "Left At East Gate". Sgt Penniston not only witnessed the UFO in the forest that night, but he also TOUCHED IT. To say that the story is interesting is the understatement of the year. You're doing yourself a complete disservice if you're interested in UFOs and you don't research and study the Rendlesham Forest UFO case.

In re to Stephenville, we are looking at the same - if not extremely similar - vehicles as were seen in Phoenix. Lynne Kitei's book "The Phoenix Lights" has some good info on that sighting.


The witnesses from Stephenville - in the Larry King shows and others - are credible and intelligent people. Stephenville is important. Brief as it may have been, it made a mark on society.

Cheers.

[edit on 28-1-2008 by JRCrowley]


reply posted on 5-2-2008 @ 05:52 PM by pavel chekov
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When it comes to UFOs, I have a lot of trouble with the term “government conspiracy.” I’ve been a member of the U.S. Armed Forces and worked as a civilian for the U.S. government. In my humble opinion, I don’t think our government is capable of concealing an event as pivotal as extraterrestrial contact.

Could the military occasionally be manipulating UFO media coverage just to deflect public attention from some classified SNAFU? You bet. But that’s pretty mundane stuff compared to hiding the biggest secret of all time from 300 million American citizens.

Let’s face it, the U.S. government is primarily a political body comprised of flawed and fallible people like yours truly. The various branches and agencies constantly compete for more funding, more personnel, more clout in general. As with all large organizations our government, at any given time and any given level, has its share of disgruntled employees and burned-out executives. Does this sound like a scenario where you could keep a tight, permanent lid on the biggest secret of all time?

And here’s another question: Why would an advanced civilization choose to contact politicians in the first place? Consider the fact that once Klaatu got a taste of our political bureaucracy, he decided to snub Harry Truman altogether and walked over to Professor Barnhardt’s house instead.


reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 06:22 PM by pavel chekov
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Astronomers say there are 300 billion stars in our galaxy alone. They further estimate that 30 billion of these stars are similar to our own Sun. I mean, seriously. The odds that we humans are the only intelligent life form in the universe is a statistical impossibility.

I don’t think the question is “are they out there?” I think the question is “why are they ignoring us?”

Could it be they’re ignoring us because, at this point, we have nothing to offer? Our Sun is a billion years younger than the average star in our little corner of the Milky Way. That makes our solar system a “newborn baby” by local standards.

So picture yourself as a galactic explorer on a mission to gather facts and figures and cultural insights. Who would you visit first? The adults or the newborn babies?


reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 07:53 PM by Ectoterrestrial
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I agree Pavel, that's why the Atom Bomb was only able to be kept secret for 3 DAYS before it leaked out to the media. The media then published that we were working on the ATOM BOMB on the front page of the New York Times, along with detailed schematics, 3 days into the Manhattan Project. They had to fire all of the scientists on the project and start over. I guess thats how the Germans and Japanese beat us to the bomb, and why Seattle got nuked back in 47.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by Ectoterrestrial]


reply posted on 11-2-2008 @ 06:03 PM by Dagar
Originally posted by pavel chekov
reply to post by ufo reality


When it comes to UFOs, I have a lot of trouble with the term “government conspiracy.” I’ve been a member of the U.S. Armed Forces and worked as a civilian for the U.S. government. In my humble opinion, I don’t think our government is capable of concealing an event as pivotal as extraterrestrial contact.




This is what I posted in another thread... I think it's one possible way to keep a secret

Originally posted by Dagar
It is very easy to keep a secret.

How?

Tell everyone! ... Just make sure no one believes you, and discredit and mock those who do.

If you get it just right... well, any leaks or whistleblowers will be buried under an avalanche of disbelief, hostile skepticism, hoots of derision, and rolling of the eyes while pointing the finger at the head and waggling it... all this from the very people you're trying to keep the secret from.

At a guess, looking at the state of play, they got it VERY right.


I firnly believe that this is the state of play at the moment, with regards to UFOs .


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 06:38 AM by hidatsa
Originally posted by pavel chekov
reply to post by ufo reality


When it comes to UFOs, I have a lot of trouble with the term “government conspiracy.” I’ve been a member of the U.S. Armed Forces and worked as a civilian for the U.S. government. In my humble opinion, I don’t think our government is capable of concealing an event as pivotal as extraterrestrial contact.



Agreed, but I wonder if the "government" even knows the extent of the cover-up. Governments change, after all, every four years. This is one of the reasons there's so much suspicion surrounding the activities of the secret services and, of course, it's led to the, I think reasonable, deduction that there are even more secret cabals behind them. Everyone remembers President Carter's promise to release existing UFO information publicly on his election, a promise he forgot to keep - but I suppose he was, after all, only a politician and perhaps too much can be read into this.

Originally posted by pavel chekov
If we had the technology to travel to distant solar systems, wouldn’t we want to search for other intelligent life forms and monitor/study them without interfering with their evolution? Perhaps that's what they've been doing with us.


I'm afraid, we can only make intuitive guesses as to what civilisations are out there (and even trying to guess where "out there" actually is can be sometimes seem a misguided enterprise). It is possible to have the technology without the advanced civilisation, for example? Is our democracy better than theirs? Or would the word have any meaning for them whatsoever? Do any words have any meaning for them?

Furthermore, we muck about with the evolution of animals on our planet, willynilly. We protect some animals from extinction while we gas and chemically destroy the less cuddly insects and viruses. We test and analyse, dissect and vivisect with astounding abandon in the furtherance of medical research, psychological understanding and - irony of the era - humanitarianism. We know there is other intelligent life on this planet, but it doesn't drive cars, use petrol or buy fast foods so to Hell with them.

I daresay when we start the exploration of our beloved strange, new worlds, the non-interference directive will be tempered according to our economic and political needs at the time. I think the corporations will make that decision for the politicians when the time comes, so we can all relax.

If alien civilisations have arisen anything like ours has here, I don't think they'll be overly concerned, when they get here (if they haven't already), for our finer feelings. And if they haven't evolved into what we would comfortably term a civilisation, then we won't even hear the Bang!

So, if a secret is being kept from us, it's probably something that would horrify and sicken us, terrifying even the most xenophillic among us, even more than the lame, tame news that the "government" is flying about using extra-terrestrial technology in our airspace.

Not even the most highly respected whistleblowers have given us the faintest inkling what that secret might be - they're only allowed to be the unwitting conduit for the extent of the information that we can handle, while at the same time providing the barometer to assess what level our tolerance has reached so far. I have, of course, no time for, or interest in, hoaxers and liars, but it's interesting to note that they mostly up the stakes on the legitimate eye-witness accounts, but have rarely taken it too many steps beyond the prevailing limits of good taste, decency or cultural acceptability.

The time for disclosure will probably come when these prevailing limits are right and will be indicated by the gross-out factors creeping into the hoaxters' exaggerations.

more (I'm afraid) >>

[edit on 12/2/08 by hidatsa]


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 07:21 AM by hidatsa
>> Actually, less "more" than I thought ...

Just felt I should mention that these are fledgling notions, barely even propositions, and probably not as well thought-out as I'd like. And probably not exactly original, either. I think my primary concern is that even open minds can find themselves wandering down cul-de-sacs, sometimes, and the cover-ups we think are so uncomfortable may actually be just at the lower boundaries of the comfort levels we can tolerate.

Why, I have often wondered, need a cover-up exist?

Every reason I've ever heard, every suggestion of what was being covered up, has left me feeling "why cover that up". Is it too easy to say that greed, profit and self interest are sufficiently motivating that underground bases are built, troops trained, moons and planets explored and colonised, and all under such top secret conditions that if only two people knew the secret, one would have to kill the other?

Humans are proud creatures, proud of their achievements, proud of their ability to advance their status. Has there ever been a meeting between millionaires where the subject of money has never been raised? Have two car owners ever chatted without comparing brake-horespower and top speeds? Have you ever built or planned or bought anything for yourself that you haven't wanted someone else to admire?

There must be such smug pride in knowing that you have a secret; that you know something that no one else knows. You'd just have to brag about it, wouldn't you? It's human bloody nature.

So the secrets we can guess must be bogus, or at least a merest tip of a monumental iceberg. It's the ones we can't guess that should worry us.

I suspect that even those who think they are in the know only know a fraction of the reality.

(Hardly worth coming back for, really, was it?)
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