My Sasquatch Theory, page 2

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reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 05:41 AM by SantaClaus

This thread is off to a great start. I actually have heard of the deridder beast (SIC probably) and its a good account.

With all the fantastic huge animals we find in the depths of the ocean yearly (think giant squid on tape), why is it so impossible for there to be a rather intelligent humanoid creature to evade us? We really don't try hard to find them (outside a very few groups).

Concerned about remains found? I'd search the amount of remains found in missing persons cases across the country. The percentage is low, and with a low population combined with a low search rate, you have very low odds of finding anything real. Simple math.

Don't want to confirm or deny, but there are too many cases with such differing facts to do either. Why is it so crazy to think a missing link is having trouble trying to survive?

reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 01:16 PM by seagull

Santa Claus. Your analogy of the missing persons is very close. Even better would be the difficulty in finding the remains of murder victims, even after the killer has told authorities where to look. A lot of the time, they still aren't found... Nature's little cleaners are very efficient. Coyotes, and other scavengers would remove the evidence in either case in very short order, whatever skeletal remains that might be left are covered over with vegitation and dirt.

reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 01:23 PM by seagull

reply to post by Jaysrule5

Jackson, Wyoming? Doesn't get much more west than that

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I wasn't so much disagreeing as I was...well ok I was disagreeing a little. I think you probably are correct though, western Canada, the parts of it that I've seen could indeed hold a rather substantial population and we'd be none the wiser.

I don't think it's a large population, given the big guys probable dietary requirements. Then again, who knows...it'd be fun finding out though.

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reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 02:19 PM by WorldShadow

I have to throw in a speculative teaser. Reading the genesis event from the bible, I often wonder if the giants than, were not our big footed cousins we share this reality with today.

Theres another story related to these things of mystery. Monster quest just had it on cable. Here in Wisconsin we have the bray road beastie which looks like a big wolffoot. In fact wolffoot is known as the bray road thing here

Heres another website with more info on manwolf.

reply posted on 29-1-2008 @ 02:01 PM by dreamingawake

My theory is close to yours. Living out in Wash. state, my experiences, with aren't much yet, but help me believe in the sasquatch. Experiences such as the smells while camping, weird noises, animals scattering away in fear... of something wandering around. Natives who were raised on reservation(very close to miles and miles of wooded land), have told me their experiences of them. One of the experiences included a couple of sasquatchs at one time, who were angry howling/growling at them because they came to close to where they were inhabiting. I believe and wish to find more information first hand.

reply posted on 29-1-2008 @ 07:53 PM by William One Sac

I think the idea about the remains being lost is very plausible. I am not really a woods person myself, I have lived most of my life in the city and densely populated suburbs. So the idea that the remains are being scattered and lost in the thicket really isn't that obvious to me. I also like the idea that the creatures are social animals and dispose of the dead, in a similar manner to the way people do now.

I really do think there is a very good chance these sasquatch do exist. There are just too many credible eyewitness accounts for me to come to the conclusion they do not. When I first started researching about them, I was a proponent of the underground theory. I felt that perhaps they lived underground in the daytime and came out at night. As I suppose anything is possible, I have not totally discounted this idea yet.

reply posted on 30-1-2008 @ 03:45 PM by seagull

reply to post by William One Sac

Being a predominantly nocturnal creature would certainly seem to fit the tales of the encounters, most of which occur between dusk and dawn, though some do occur, obviously, during the daylight hours.

To my mind bigfoot probably does hole up during the daylight hours. It just makes sense from the observed data.

reply posted on 30-1-2008 @ 07:10 PM by Jaysrule5

reply to post by bakednutz

My main justification for the idea of them being a solitary creature is that they wouldn't be able to support themselves in a group on one area of land. First, there would be an obvious depletion of resources in an area. A big ape eats about 3 times as much a we do every day.

By the way, do you know if the "group" sightings were in the winter?

reply posted on 30-1-2008 @ 07:59 PM by Jaysrule5

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I'm an avid outdoorsman and mountaineer, so obviously I have had my share of experiences. Here's my sighting log from the past 3 years:

Mt. Ranier,WA, July 2007: Found large prints at 7,283 feet on way to Little Tahoma an Muir Base Camp. Measured 14 5/8 inches long by about 7 1/2 inches wide on average. Imprinted on mud/snow. Saw 3 prints before path turned rocky.

Skagit River,WA, June 2007: Found a large unsettled patch of land near river. Some elk and bear in area but otherwise no other large mammals. Too close to campground to be bear, and elk stay in higher elevations during summer seasons.

Denali (Kahiltna Glacier Base Camp), AK, August 2006: Attempted to summit Denali, but high winds forced us to turn back at 17, 800 feet. Waited for helicopter back at base camp on glacier. While marking safe zones, I saw a large white animal an slopes of Mt. Foraker. Too high to be bighorn sheep, no mountain goats in Alaska Range. Climbers were banned on Foraker during that month due to frequent, large avalanches that were becoming too much of a liability. Went back to tent for binoculars, but when I returned 25 minutes later, I was unable to locate it. Alaskan Yeti???

Long's Peak, CO, May 2006: Heard unexplained noises eminating from woods on our hike to Chasm Lake, the base for the ascent to the summit. Sounded like an overweight man grumbling after being waken up early. (best analogy I could think up) Lasted for 2 minutes, Accompanied by hideous stench. Could've been an elk, but I still can't write off the possibility.

Jediah Smith Wilderness, WY, December 2005: Backpacked behind the Tetons for a week of winter solitude. During the trip, we heard loud wood-knocking, commonly associated with apes. A couple tracks were also found by other backpackers during that week.

Jackson, WY, April 2005: The experience that begun my interest in bigfoot. I was sitting in my bedroom, which overlooks the sage flats of Grand Teton National Park. It was about 5 o'clock. I glanced out the window and I glanced what was ABSOLUTELY a large, hairy figure walking across the flats. It terrified me at first, but as I learned more about Sasquatch, I became interested. Of course, my 13 year-old mind probably could've been playing tricks on me. It could have just been a man in a wool coat. Still, it warm out and I couldn't find a reason for what he would be doing way out there. I saw it from about a quarter mile away.

Also, I was inspired by flying over Northern Ontario, just glancing at all the desolate wilderness made me marvel at how much land we havn't populated (and what could be there in our place)...

reply posted on 1-2-2008 @ 03:21 AM by seagull

reply to post by Jaysrule5

"patch of unsettled ground"? Not sure what you mean by that. Not that I'm doubting your story or anything. Just unsettled ground could mean alot of different things. Deer bed, wild pigs rooting around, bigfoot bedding or foraging, many things can and do disturb thier surroundings. Were there tracks, or scat, anything at all that lead you to believe it was Sasquatch?

reply posted on 1-2-2008 @ 06:36 AM by Voidmaster

My beliefs as far as Bigfoot is concerned are as follows:

It's obviously nocturnal, it travels in family groups for short periods of time, it also moves around quite a bit. Mostly in the middle/western part of the US, coming down from Canada, down through the US, and into parts of Mexico in a sort of multi-yearly migration pattern.

That way the population isn't even occupying most of the US at 2 parts of their trip. If this part of my theory is true, then we should notice a general trend in Bigfoot sightings. A movement from north to south, or south to north every so many years. I don't really have the time to compile all that info, otherwise I would have.

As far as the sightings in the south eastern states, I don't quite know the reason behind those.

As far as the moving through the US unnoticed is concerned, I think it could be managed. Being nocturnal, it'd make it all the easier. If it were night in my neighborhood, a family group could stroll casually down the middle of the street and go completely unnoticed.

Seeing as most of us retire to our couch's once it gets dark, we switch on American Idol(or something) and turn the volume up. Or we plant ourselves in front of the computer, put headphones on, and surf the net with our favorite music blasting in our ears.

Here's an idea of what the US looks like at night:
apod.nasa.gov...

As you can see, we've got big, wide, empty spaces in the western states, Canada, and Mexico. Plenty of walking room if you ask me.

reply posted on 1-2-2008 @ 10:22 AM by HHH Is King

Originally posted by William One Sac
Your theory is plausible. However, why do you think no remains of a sasquatch have ever been recovered?

Same reason you don't find bear carcasses lying around. Or deer carcasses. Or any dead animals. Other animals eat them.

Also, the Bigfoot, Yeti, Sasquatch, whatever name you give it, is actually the Gigantipithicus Blacki , a type of primate thought to have gone extinct. It was the tallest of the primates and originated in China. Came across the Bering Land Bridge into North America, and there you go. It isn't some alien, interdimensional traveler, its a primate.
Info on it
en.wikipedia.org...

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reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 04:06 PM by Jaysrule5

reply to post by seagull

Unsettled meaning the grass was trampled down in one area, usually the sign of a temporary bedding. I've seen what a bear does to a patch of grass like that, but it was way bigger than anything a normal bear would make. Oh, and was unreachable by vehicle either.

reply posted on 4-2-2008 @ 06:51 PM by seagull

reply to post by Jaysrule5

Ahhh...thanks for answering that.

I've been hearing from freinds that one of Washington States hotter areas near my home has been heating up of late. It's the Mill Creek Watershed area near Walla Walla...it extends into northeastern Washington from Southeastern Washington and encompasses a rather significant amount of very rugged land. Access is extremely limited...there have been, over the past two or three decades, numerous sightings, ranging from strange sounds in the night, to actual physical sightings; footprints, upright apeman, things of that nature lol.

Two sighting have occured since November, neither reported to the various research groups as far as I know. I'm thinking I might be doing some day hikeing this spring.

reply posted on 5-2-2008 @ 07:26 PM by Jaysrule5

reply to post by seagull

Walla Walla-no kiddin! That place has monster written all over it. I've driven through the area on a few occasions, and it's an immense tract of forest. I wouldn't be suprised to the least if there was something roaming around up there.

reply posted on 10-4-2008 @ 12:41 AM by Threadfall

Originally posted by William One Sac
Your theory is plausible. However, why do you think no remains of a sasquatch have ever been recovered?

I think about this too. However, I used to live in a very rural wooded area and I rarely ever saw any kind of carcasses in the woods, nature's decomposers and scavengers work quickly I guess. And lately I've thought, if bigfoots exists, then as of right now all we know about them is pure conjecture...So I'll make my own speculation to explain your question. Maybe bigfoots are quite intelligent, therefore, maybe they bury their dead...

reply posted on 27-4-2008 @ 01:38 PM by Nameless_Hobo

This is minor nitpicking, but I believe you seem to be assigning human behavior to an animal, that is respecting political boarders.
Why can't Bigfeet roam between Canada and America? Why not even into South America?
Perhaps it's just your wording, but it seems you are calling them two different populations.

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reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 12:28 AM by Kikider

Well going back through the evolutionary line they are probally inteligent enough to do that, walking on two feet enables the hands to be free and use tools and other implements. This sets off a huge wave of events allowing them to increase brain growth, ETC.

reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 12:51 AM by seagull

reply to post by Nameless_Hobo

If the creature exists at all, and I believe that it does, why would it respect borders that are quite unknown to it? In that you are quite correct. Your post did raise a question for me, though, so thank you for that...

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How many sighting do occur in Mexico? Or Central/South America? I must say it really hadn't occured to me, and it should have, that Mexico and more southerly areas would also have a population of Sasquatch. Though to all appearances and descriptions, Sasquatch is more adapted to cold weather enviroments than to the moist damp heat of South and Central America. Though if tigers can adapt to India's enviroment, no reason Sasquatch couldn't do likewise, possibly even in the same manner.

reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 04:38 PM by Anonymous ATS

I agree with you in all of your claims. The Canadian Sasquatch indeed has endless amounts of wilderness to thrive in. As for actual evidence that these creatures exsist, I think the strongest is the dermal ridges found on some foot prints and hand prints, which would be very hard to imitate, unless someone has access to some kind of hollywood makeup artistry, and the locations these prints are found and the eye witness accounts tied to these prints makes that scenario highly unlikely. Also footage such as the red wood video appears to be a creature of enormous hight and appears to have an infant swinging from it's arms. Again the odds of a seven foot man in a gorilla suit holding his baby in a gorilla suit in the middle of nowhere with no vehicle anywhere for miles is highly unlikely. Also the thousands of eye witness accounts many from experienced outdoorsman who know a bear when they see one explain a creature they can not explain and these people have nothing to gain by there accounts they only stand to lose as many have lost respect from people around them because of the stories they stand by. I look at the weather or not the sasquatch exsists debate as a case of common sense. of course leaders of the scientific community will not take this statement seriously. To me though it does not make sense for thousands of people through out the world to make up stories that they saw a big harry ape. In some cases ya, some people just have nothing better to do with there time but in hundreds of cases people are in remote locations and either hear or see something that is not a bear or any other animal that they can explain. The voice recordings are a piece of significant evidence that can not be easily explained. Scientists have concluded that some recordings that are supposedly the calls of a sasquatch are unexplained as in they are of an unknown animal voice box that is impossible for a human to produce. There is also the hair samples collected that scientists are not able to pin point what animal they are from but are similar to a bear. If you look at this evidence alone it supports that there is a walking upright ape in north america that we have yet to categorize as a known species.

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