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Originally posted by OrionStars
Originally posted by adampants2007
reply to post by OrionStars
lol.....look, I understand your statement. But EVERYTHING you said can be found in a PHYSICS text.
Since any and all qualified physics books consider the fourth dimension to be theorectical, perhaps you will share with us your physic books versions of the surreality of the fourth dimension?
Originally posted by jfj123
Since any and all qualified physics books consider the fourth dimension to be theorectical, perhaps you will share with us your physic books versions of the surreality of the fourth dimension?
Originally posted by OrionStars
Anything abstract is always personal perception and nothing more. It is not physical. Only the physical matter is considered reality aka physical reality. All else is abstractly hypothetical or theorectical.
Hypothesis - abstract unproved personal opinion
Theory - proved effect on physical matter caused by abstract invisible theoretical quantum energy
Originally posted by OrionStars
Originally posted by jfj123
Since any and all qualified physics books consider the fourth dimension to be theorectical, perhaps you will share with us your physic books versions of the surreality of the fourth dimension?
When did time become theoretical?
Originally posted by jfj123
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic.
Time can however, be measured.
Originally posted by jfj123
A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory. Laws describe things, theories explain them.
Originally posted by OrionStars
Originally posted by jfj123
A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory. Laws describe things, theories explain them.
I was in agreement right up until you stated the above. Laws are better than theory. The reason theories never become laws, is because of unknown variable interference preventing theories from becoming laws.
Until one meets those unknown variables, one will never know if a theory is always correct and never wrong (law). We can depend on laws. We cannot pull full faith into theories - any theories. We normally never know what failures occur in testing. We normally only know of the sucesses, and what does work after what ethically should be much peer review testing by same methodology.
Change the methodology of testing, and results can easily change as well and normally do.
A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory. Laws describe things, theories explain them. An example will help you to understand this. There's a law of gravity, which is the description of gravity. It basically says that if you let go of something it'll fall. It doesn't say why. Then there's the theory of gravity, which is an attempt to explain why. Actually, Newton's Theory of Gravity did a pretty good job, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity does a better job of explaining it. These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories. They can't be changed into laws, because laws are different things. Laws describe, and theories explain.
* Laws are generalizations about what has happened, from which we can generalize about what we expect to happen. They pertain to observational data. The ability of the ancients to predict eclipses had nothing to do with whether they knew just how they happened; they had a law but not a theory.
* Theories are explanations of observations (or of laws). The fact that we have a pretty good understanding of how stars explode doesn't necessarily mean we could predict the next supernova; we have a theory but not a law.
Theory: well- stated explanation that makes sense of a great variety of scientific observations. Explanations of observations (or of laws).
Law: are generalizations about what has happened, from which we can generalize about what we expect to happen. They pertain to observational data. They had a law but not a theory.
Originally posted by jfj123
This is the scientific definition for a theory. As stated, a law is less then a theory. It's a common misconception.
Originally posted by OrionStars
Originally posted by jfj123
This is the scientific definition for a theory. As stated, a law is less then a theory. It's a common misconception.
As I stated, a law is dependable. A theory never is, or any fully dependable theory would be law, rather than remaining a theory.
Would you care to source from where you got what you call a "scientific definition". From the way it appeared, those were your thoughts not someone else's. If you took from someone else, while not referencing the source, that constitutes plagiarism.
Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by OrionStars
Here's an example of the difference between a law and theory
A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory. Laws describe things, theories explain them. An example will help you to understand this. There's a law of gravity, which is the description of gravity. It basically says that if you let go of something it'll fall. It doesn't say why. Then there's the theory of gravity, which is an attempt to explain why. Actually, Newton's Theory of Gravity did a pretty good job, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity does a better job of explaining it. These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories. They can't be changed into laws, because laws are different things. Laws describe, and theories explain.
Originally posted by jfj123
Yep my bad, I'll post the sources in just a sec. I forgot.
Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by OrionStars
Yep sorry for not posting the source. I reposted above and also added a few other sources. Thanks for the reminder.
This is a common question, and a common misconception. Unfortunately I learned it pretty much the same way you did... and didn't really have it corrected until I started digging into the philosophy of science rather recently.
The current consensus among philosophers of science seems to be this:
Laws are generalizations about what has happened, from which we can generalize about what we expect to happen. They pertain to observational data. The ability of the ancients to predict eclipses had nothing to do with whether they knew just how they happened; they had a law but not a theory.
Theories are explanations of observations (or of laws). The fact that we have a pretty good understanding of how stars explode doesn't necessarily mean we could predict the next supernova; we have a theory but not a law.
Originally posted by OrionStars
Can you touch, taste, smell, hear or see time? Or is it an abstract perception that time exists because people invented clocks and sun dials?
Originally posted by deezee
Can you touch, taste, smell, hear or see the other three dimensions?
Dimensions are not something, they are just properties of something.